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"Tube":1nnik72x wrote:

"Partridge9":1nnik72x wrote: Can I ask a really stupid question at this point .. when they say 10 barrel (16hl) are they referring to the capacity of the systems fermentor(s) ?[/quote:1nnik72x]
My understanding is that 10 barrel is the maximum size of a single brew, which is dictated by the mashtun size really -- fermenting is separate.[/quote:1nnik72x]


Correct. You can have double sized fermenters, so it's the brewhouse that dictates the brew capacity, not the fermenters. It's based on an average OG beer.

As far as I know .

When buying a brewery system the batch size is the amount that can fit in the Kettle( allowing for some loss )That is
how much Wort can the system produce.

When dealing with revenue for a bond it's the fermentation capacity which counts . Because that's where the alcohol is produced .

I could be corrected though .


For example . A micro brewery could have a capacity of 10bbl batches in their setup . But could choose to import another 10bbl wort and ferment it onsite . Revenue would only care about what's being fermented , and are uninterested in the Wort production end of things.

"Wallacebiy":1fcehlmn wrote: When dealing with revenue for a bond it's the fermentation capacity which counts . Because that's where the alcohol is produced .[/quote:1fcehlmn]And where the duty liability is, of course. Makes sense.

"Wallacebiy":xd5esdvs wrote: As far as I know .

When buying a brewery system the batch size is the amount that can fit in the Kettle( allowing for some loss )That is
how much Wort can the system produce.

When dealing with revenue for a bond it's the fermentation capacity which counts . Because that's where the alcohol is produced .

I could be corrected though .


For example . A micro brewery could have a capacity of 10bbl batches in their setup . But could choose to import another 10bbl wort and ferment it onsite . Revenue would only care about what's being fermented , and are uninterested in the Wort production end of things.[/quote:xd5esdvs]
I would have thought it's to do with your total capacity for storing alcohol. i.e. what's in your fermenters, kegs, casks, bottles etc, on the premises at one time, as duty is due on every drop of it. As it's a tax [i:xd5esdvs]warehouse[/i:xd5esdvs], I think warehouse is the operative word.

The bond is to cover the entire duty due should someone make off with the contents of your warehouse.

That's my understanding.

Perhaps there is a little over analysis here.

You have a 10hl system with 10hl wrote on the box, the revenue boys looks for the 'agreed' bond based around that setup - it sounds like these bonds might be a little flexible - after all its not in their interests to shut you down.

With regards to output - they will see your output as time goes on either way - so fudging that number doesnt make sense.

My question was with regards to these brewing systems advertised, so I take it a 10 hl brewing system is designed to produce a 10 hl, tweaking OG down could increase volume and tweaking OG up will probably reduce volumes.

I have to visit some of these irish micro-breweries soon.

James

Phone the Revenue... you'll have most of your answers in 10 minutes. There is more to it than you think!