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"oblivious":3mkzz11b wrote: Very interesting report on Heinekens declassification of spent grain from waste to food stuff[/quote:3mkzz11b]Thanks for that.

I do hope the farmers are relentlessly driving down the price they pay to macrobreweries for spent grain: Hah! See how youse like it!

"TheBeerNut":3dot4yum wrote:

"Scoby":3dot4yum wrote: steam boiler insurance inspections,[/quote:3dot4yum]Strictly necessary?[/quote:3dot4yum]

Apparently steam generators are included in legislation as requiring annual statutory engineering inspections - and this is often done as part of the insurance of the premises. I'm not sure of the legal specifics on it though. BTW - steam systems are a real pain in the ass!

"TheBeerNut":3dot4yum wrote:

"Scoby":3dot4yum wrote: HSE food safety[/quote:3dot4yum]Ah, I thought it was just the Council did that. Am I wrong, or do they both do them?[/quote:3dot4yum]

As far as I know brewery food safety requirements are just overseen by the HSE environmental health officers.

"Taf":3dot4yum wrote: Presume this is common practise in the brewing industry, as the F Well's spent grain also goes for farm feed.[/quote:3dot4yum]

The DoA Requirements do not seem too bad. They require the process involved in storing, using and transferring the grains to be documented in the HACCP plan - but that would be largely covered as part of the HSE food safety documentation requirements anyway. There is also need to give the farmer documentation with the batch reference which can be linked to the brew records.

"Scoby":1w60z8cb wrote: Apparently steam generators are included in legislation as requiring annual statutory engineering inspections[/quote:1w60z8cb]Interesting. Though... nit-picking again... you don't necessarily need a steam generator, right?

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&amp;quot;Scoby&amp;quot;:1w60z8cb wrote: As far as I know brewery food safety requirements are just overseen by the HSE environmental health officers. [/quote:1w60z8cb]Cool. Thanks.

&amp;quot;Scoby&amp;quot;:1w60z8cb wrote: There is also need to give the farmer documentation with the batch reference which can be linked to the brew records.[/quote:1w60z8cb]So if he discovers his cows only like Imperial Stout grist you can make sure he gets the right stuff.

&amp;quot;TheBeerNut&amp;quot;:26m3ty3o wrote:

&amp;quot;Scoby&amp;quot;:26m3ty3o wrote: Apparently steam generators are included in legislation as requiring annual statutory engineering inspections[/quote:26m3ty3o]Interesting. Though... nit-picking again... you don't necessarily need a steam generator, right?[/quote:26m3ty3o]

Unless you have a steam jacket on your mash tun and copper

Talking of steam jacket as a heating source,has any one ever worked out what is the most efficient way e.g. cost to bring wort to the boil and heat a mash.
( I know that I should of written "heat a mash" before I wrote " bring wort to the boil"but I am in a hurry and did not have the time to delete the parts of the sentences and rewrite them or even drag the mouse over them and re-position them, I am sure you understand).
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I'm going to ignore Demsey's question about the most cost effective technology for boiling (electric vs. gas vs. electric or gas to generate steam) because I have no idea; but steam is definitely considered the most "gentle" way to boil wort and has the lowest heat density. (There's some SUPER-expensive new German systems that even create a partial vacuum in the boil kettle AND use steam heat so that the wort can be boiled at lower temps even more gently; I saw one at Birrifico Lambrate in Milan, Italy.) -Super impressive!

Can't remember who makes it... Might have a picture, though.


Gas-fired, and then electric elements have much higher heat densities than steam. Higher heat densities means more wort darkening via Malliard reactions.


Adam