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You are accusing me of being prejudiced against Cork, right? Feel like backing that up with any evidence other than me not agreeing with you?

[quote:3fycz9x8]If I have the worst bottle of irish craft, I would not complain on the forum[/quote:3fycz9x8]
No, but you may review it on the forum... complaints are one thing, opinions and reviews are quite another.
[quote:3fycz9x8]because that cause the closure of that business[/quote:3fycz9x8]
If one bad review is enough to cause a business to close, then that business probably wont last long anyways.
[quote:3fycz9x8]If I was a bank manager and saw that a micro brewery that owed the bank money, that their beer is crap could cause me to pull that loan and cause that small business to close.[/quote:3fycz9x8]
If you were a bank manager, you would know the reasons behind pulling a load is not "the product is crap" but rather it is an amalgamation of various factors such as current credit rating, previous payment performance, balance of the loan, company operations, company assets etc...
[quote:3fycz9x8]Most of the members backing Mark are not self employed or running a business.[/quote:3fycz9x8]
I have done, I will still not object to someones opinion or a bad review.
[quote:3fycz9x8]The reality in the current economic climate the post was in bad taste. [/quote:3fycz9x8]
I am sick and tired of this being used as an argument. The current economic climate blah blah blah... there will always be small business struggling, and I am not arguing against a bad review can impact a business, but I'm pretty sure the pubs mentioned have their local customers who don't care what others say, its their local. These customers are the bread and butter, know of, and have experienced the pub/bar for themselves, and don't need a review of it to decide weather or not to visit. Simply, your survey of the current situation with regards to the review is blown completely out of context. And to further this point, if one bad review is going to break a business... they wont be running for long anyways.
[quote:3fycz9x8]The admin on the site think it's a few Cork people gone rebel, but that is not the case.[/quote:3fycz9x8]
Im with Séan on this, I have not seen anything to indicate this.
[quote:3fycz9x8]If a member like Ger c is considering resiging his membership,something is wrong with beoir.[/quote:3fycz9x8]
If any member is considering resigning their membership because of a disagreement with someone else's point of view, I would say the problem is with the member, not the organization.
[quote:3fycz9x8]Mark the busman is entitled to his view, but not a malice view of the world, just to win the argument and put the cork people in their box.[/quote:3fycz9x8]
Yes, he is. As is everyone. I didn't find any malice in his post, in fact, I seem to remember him stating that he didn't want to offend anyone... he simply wished to share his experiences. And to further that, he has admitted that he is pleased with the response of the places in question and would be willing to re-visit on the chance that this was a fluke coincidence. As for putting Cork people in their box? I don't have any idea where you got that from, and I honestly believe that you are mis-interpreting the original post.
[quote:3fycz9x8]If all the micros are in business in 5 years time , I will buy Mark the busman a pint from each brewery, if he consents to removing this post in the interest of the economy not winning the argument over the silly rebels.[/quote:3fycz9x8]
I'd probably buy him one for [b:3fycz9x8]not[/b:3fycz9x8] removing the post on principal, the administration have made their position clear that in their eyes the post is fine, so for him to remove it due to pressure from other members would be analog to surrendering to a bully. I don't believe he is making any argument, merely sharing his own experiences.

"rebel":3pz43mjy wrote: Most of the members backing Mark are not self employed or running a business.
The admin on the site think it's a few Cork people gone rebel, but that is not the case.
just to win the argument and put the cork people in their box.
if he consents to removing this post in the interest of the economy not winning the argument over the silly rebels.[/quote:3pz43mjy]
I have to say rebel you are going way over the top with your response to this. I myself have being self employed for most of my working life which is aaaaalong time <!-- s:roll: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt="" title="Rolling Eyes" /><!-- s:roll: -->.
All businesses no matter how well they are run can have a bad hair day and have a dissatisfied customer.
I once ran a small business which employed people and if a customer had a complaint I would acknowledge their complaint by listening to what they had to say,it always helps to diffuse it and allows for a reasoned talk on how best to resolve it.

Lads, time to take a deep breath, grab a pint of your favourite Irish craft beer, and move on, continuing to tell everyone you know how great the Irish craft beer scene is becoming.

The Well and Bierhaus are clearly well established businesses with a following near and far, and more new customers waiting. Having read just the first page of this thread, that much was clear, and I'm still wanting to get back and visit (pity they weren't there when I lived in Fermoy <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt="" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->). An opinion from one person (to which he is entitled, and which has been more or less refuted by other, equally valid opinions) is just that, an opinion, and like arseholes, everyone has one. <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt="" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> From this distance, I see no reason to censor someone's opinion.

oconn, you asked if a thread was ever deleted before. Only spam threads have been deleted by the mods. Only once was a thread removed, and that by the original poster, after he complained about his perception of the quality of a product from a brewery, and later resolved that directly with the brewery. If Mark want's to amend his post with a disclaimer, that's entirely his choice. There's nothing breaching the rules.

Please do not let one opinion break the community spirit we have worked over four years to build. Come on! We're stronger as a group than that, surely! The Well and Bierhaus are important parts of that community, as seen by the events they support. And they both responded well to the opinions of Mark. Surely that's enough? There are much bigger bridges to cross without resorting to county/city/tribalism. For a start, you all need to lobby the breweries to export to Germany <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt="" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->

Wasn't the first Beoir AGM in Cork???

I think this thread has moved away from someone's opinion of a couple of pubs to the old 'you're only against us because we're from Cork and you're not'.

I'm against removing this thread but I'm all for closing this thread to further replies.

I think everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I agree and disagree with some points on both sides. I don't think the thread should be removed, as I don't agree with that type of censoring, but do think it should be locked at this point, as nothing of benefit seems to be coming out of it now.