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Adeptus, despite our strong marketing effort you have fallen into the classis trap ! We are not the Arrann Islands (Galway) we asre Arainn Mhor (Donegal), a big big difference. Appreciate your comments though.

Westbrew. Where is your local and I'll pitch up there next week with a few cases ? And if anyoine else out there feels there is a market in the area let me know. i do my own direct selling.

All, agree we are not hitting the spot on the RUA as an Irish Red but I'm working on a new vre to get it nearer the mark. Can you chaps give me an idea what you think is a good irish red ?

Regarding our recipes. Even though I am not a brewer I have a very distinct idea of what i want each beer to taste, look and ABV like etc. Wht I do is either give my brewmaster (contract for now) a detailed description or if I come across a beer I like, an example of what I'd like the brew to be based on. The brewmaster then prodcues a first cut minimum of 25 variants of the recipe for me to taste. He has a brew lab specifically for this purpose. We narrow doewn the 25 based on my requirements to 6 or 7 and then he does another more refined bacthc from which we pick or decide on the final recipe. So although he does the cooking I do the recipe essentially.

[quote:1olvdxc5]Adeptus, despite our strong marketing effort you have fallen into the classis trap ! We are not the Arrann Islands (Galway) we asre Arainn Mhor (Donegal), a big big difference.[/quote:1olvdxc5]I was going to let that one slide but now that you've mentioned it <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt="" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) -->

[quote:1olvdxc5]All, agree we are not hitting the spot on the RUA as an Irish Red but I'm working on a new vre to get it nearer the mark. Can you chaps give me an idea what you think is a good irish red ? [/quote:1olvdxc5]You're going to get a lot of opinions here I guess. Franciscan Well's Rebel Red and the Porterhouse Red are both nice, although I would prefer if PR was not served with nitro gas. Neither are available bottled...

&amp;quot;js_040&amp;quot;:2hxzgzbw wrote: Adeptus, despite our strong marketing effort you have fallen into the classis trap! We are not the Arrann Islands (Galway) we are Arainn Mhor (Donegal), a big big difference. Appreciate your comments though.
[/quote:2hxzgzbw]Actually, I'm well aware of the difference having lived on Galway's Arainn Islands (Inis Mór mostly, but some time on the other two) for a while. I'm not sure where you think I thought that, or what the relevance is to the overall discussion. Plus it's hard not to get that it's Donegal from your website <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt="" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) --> Does Donegal make it more Irish? <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt="" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D -->

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Oh, I see, I said "Arainn Islands" in my first paragraph. My apologies, this is a typo and was not intended to insinuate Galwegianishness, and I made no mention of Galway relating to your marketing anywhere else. <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt="" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->

My comments were more of an observation on how I see the general perception of those who are, how can I put it, suspicious(?) of the way the product is being built up. The only thing I was wondering is which came first, the brand/marketing device, or the idea of a craft beer to bring a ray of light to the drinking masses of Ireland, but I think you may have answered that already <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt="" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->

Talk to Dave in the Bierhaus no presence in Cork, with the eurobeer demise their is an opening.

Before anything else, Gerry: thank you for engaging with us. I really hope we can get something positive out of this discussion.

&amp;quot;Ichiban&amp;quot;:2rxcupb3 wrote: Most likely none of the microbreweries in Ireland have this offering available though, so Gerry was forced to go abroad.[/quote:2rxcupb3]That's not the point, though. The point is that it's not appropriate to call oneself a "brewing company" if one's company does not brew.

&amp;quot;Ichiban&amp;quot;:2rxcupb3 wrote: It strikes me that someone like the BeerNut might one day, while sipping a buttery complex ale in some brewery tasting room on the Continent, realise that this might be something he would like to do himself.[/quote:2rxcupb3]Indeed I might. I have, in fact.

&amp;quot;Ichiban&amp;quot;:2rxcupb3 wrote: As a [b:2rxcupb3]business venture only and leaving the brewing to the brewers[/b:2rxcupb3]. I see nothing wrong with that.[/quote:2rxcupb3]Woah Nelly! What? Why? Why would I think "I'd like to make this: I'll get someone else to do it"? On watching the Olympics I sometimes think "Pole-vaulting: I'd like to be able to do that." I don't then think: "I know: I'll get someone else to do it for me, and then I'll take over myself when I'm good enough." Fans of the pole-vaulting BeerNut would feel cheated if they knew it wasn't me, wouldn't they?

Bottom line: I am not a brewer. I would not set up a brewing company.
I am not a computer programmer. I would not set up a computer programming company. I would be suspicious of any computer programming company established, run and marketed by a non-programmer.

Come on, TBN. It's the way of the business world.
A lot of people start businesses they have no hands-on experience of because it's either a money making venture, or an interest (or both).
Your comparison to an individual sport is a bad one.

Heck, if I could afford to I would open a pub in the morning. I know nothing about running a pub, and would probably have to hire people to do that, but I would still be a publican.