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The did difference with hop and grape is that they buy in their own grain, which has a high turnover and freshly crush before its shipped out. not precrush weeks before, sitting on a wholesalers shelf and shipped out to suppliers and finally on to use

The former is a model the better home brew establishments have adopted

"HomeBrewWest":3ej697bz wrote: To the point, cheapest grain supplier I can find is:
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selling [b:3ej697bz]cheapest grain [/b:3ej697bz]from UKP 1.35 per Kg, and shipping to Ireland is about UKP 18.90 or so. Total cost in Euro for 25 Kg bag is Euro 61.074 at an exchange rate of 1.16 (you wont get that today, maybe 2 weeks ago).

Our price is 71.04 plus the 7 Euro shipping.
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I know this doesn't compare, but I can buy a 25kg bag of grain from a home brew store in Germany for 28 Euro (and I got 60kg delivered for €5, all the way from the other end of Germany!). I sometimes wonder if would it be cheaper to get that shipped to Ireland than pay UK prices.

Or how about getting in touch with an Irish maltster to see if you could at least buy the base grains locally? I'm sure even a group of ICBers could do that to get it at wholesale prices without the middleman (sorry <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt="" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D -->).

Whole lager malt can be bought easily and cheaply enough from Irish Malting Co .


But he doesn't kiln anything else , nor does he weigh less than 200kilos ( so he'll bag around 10kilos ( usually closer to 11 ) just by eye . and he don't ship .


If anyone is interested in setting up a roasting and milling business though , I'd say go for it .

If 10 members living close to each other bought 200kg and split it, that'd be a real saving. Or even less members. And at those low prices, purchasing a grain mill to share would be cost effective (that was my rational for buying one on my own <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt="" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D -->). As the base malt (and I've been using pilsner malt as a base for my last few beers) would form the bulk of most beers, you could buy the kilned/specialised stuff as normal.

Sorry, not meant to be a thread hijack, but I think going direct to a maltster makes a lot of sense (whether as a business or a group of individuals). I'm trying to find one here as I heard I could pick up a 25kg bag for €10. <!-- s8) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_cool.gif" alt="" title="Cool" /><!-- s8) -->

&amp;quot;HomeBrewWest&amp;quot;:51gx4726 wrote: To the point, cheapest grain supplier I can find is:
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selling [b:51gx4726]cheapest grain [/b:51gx4726]from UKP 1.35 per Kg, and shipping to Ireland is about UKP 18.90 or so. Total cost in Euro for 25 Kg bag is Euro 61.074 at an exchange rate of 1.16 (you wont get that today, maybe 2 weeks ago).

Our price is 71.04 plus the 7 Euro shipping.

[b:51gx4726]But ours is Muntons[/b:51gx4726]. I have no idea what they charge for quality grain, they dont say what brand it is. But they do go up to twice the price for UK grain.

So, I still figure we are cheaper, please prove me wrong![/quote:51gx4726]
HomeBrewCompany 25kg sack of grain, €45.[/url:51gx4726]

I hope it's not presumptious to speak on behalf of others but the important factors for many on ICB are a combination of price and choice, something HBC deliver effectively and quietly with the minimum of fuss. If you do as good a job you will have many happy customers, you're in the right place to get feedback.

Hop & Grape are probably the leading Hombrew supplier in the UK and their range and quality of products are widely acknowledged. Many of used to order off them regularly before HBC was set up.

&amp;quot;Adeptus&amp;quot;:1dmyehmr wrote: If 10 members living close to each other bought 200kg and split it, that'd be a real saving. Or even less members. And at those low prices, purchasing a grain mill to share would be cost effective (that was my rational for buying one on my own <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt="" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D -->). As the base malt (and I've been using pilsner malt as a base for my last few beers) would form the bulk of most beers, you could buy the kilned/specialised stuff as normal.

Sorry, not meant to be a thread hijack, but I think going direct to a maltster makes a lot of sense (whether as a business or a group of individuals). I'm trying to find one here as I heard I could pick up a 25kg bag for €10. <!-- s8) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_cool.gif" alt="" title="Cool" /><!-- s8) -->[/quote:1dmyehmr]


I buy direct from the local maltster for my base . no need to club together for the 200kgs at all. I still haven't sorted out my milling though ( food processor at the moment )
I've roasted the lager malt to very good effect in the oven at home as well