TOPIC:

"Barry M":1ov75vfz wrote: II guess I use König Ludwig Dunkel[/url:1ov75vfz] as a typical example.
[/quote:1ov75vfz]

Yes that's a good example, you see it all over in - upper Bavaria .

And Kozel cerny is nice as well from Czech republic

<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="www.beer-kozel.cz/en/products/dark.html">www.beer-kozel.cz/en/products/dark.html

&amp;quot;Barry M&amp;quot;:25ze49kf wrote: Ah, interesting. I've been looking at the Cicerone stuff (following on Twitter). I have to admit, while I use BJCP guidelines as a rough guide when home brewing, I personally don't think they should be applied when judging commercial beer, unless those commercial breweries are also trying to stick to these styles. Luckily they don't, but then it just means "styles" are a moving target, which is fun for us drinkers, but perhaps not for the style definers <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt="" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D -->

I can see, though, where they could provide a rough rule of thumb when talking about beer in a Sommelier (or Cicerone(tm) <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt="" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D -->) context.[/quote:25ze49kf]

The best guide that I use is 'Tasting Beer' by Randy Mosher - alot fewer styles and broader than BJCP as well as damn good read for the beer geek (i.e. me!)

&amp;quot;Barry M&amp;quot;:n4h3yqfs wrote: I have that, but haven't actually read it yet. Must do. I like his Radical Brewing book. I dip into that the odd time when looking for inspiration <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt="" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->[/quote:n4h3yqfs]

yes, his 'Radical Brewing' is abit of a classic. I read it before I got into Homebrewing and it inspired me to get cracking!

&amp;quot;Alan Gold Label&amp;quot;:2rknwf19 wrote: Is this "black" lager thing a bit like the Budvar Dark ? I quite like the Budvar DArk.[/quote:2rknwf19]

Is harp a decent lager <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt="" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: -->