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www.thisisbeer.ie 14 years 6 months ago #31

Has anyone seen this? <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="www.thisisbeer.ie">www.thisisbeer.ie They bought some add space from the irish times website.

It gives advice for food pairings with Hino.

I've actually spent the las 10 minutes laughing so hard that my SWMBO came in to see if i was OK.

www.thisisbeer.ie 14 years 6 months ago #32

I think so, yes:

[url:392pojes]http://www.beoir.org/community/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=7270[/url:392pojes]

This is depressing.......... 14 years 6 months ago #33

&amp;quot;UpsidedownA&amp;quot;:6e58d7uy wrote: Besides, I think you can't deny the craft in macrobeer. Their quality control is amazing. [/quote:6e58d7uy]

I most certainly CAN.

Quality control != "craft"
Quality control == making the same beer each time

When your beer is made by industrial robots from chemicals and human being aren't involved except to look at the blinking lights it IS very easy to make the same beer each time; that doesn't make it craft beer.

The craft of beer involves people manipulating the raw agricultural ingredients into wort that is transformed into beer by yeast; not industrial robots squirting chemicals into an assembly line with the final goal of moving a stock price upward.



Adam

This is depressing.......... 14 years 6 months ago #34

I see the use of industrial machinery as an extension of the ordinary use of tools that facilitates and is in turn demanded by scaling processes up. Pumps are necessary because at a certain point people can no longer lift the vessels, for example. Other machines make it possible to do more accurately and consistently what you could do by eye, like measuring for example. Humans using tools is craft. Humans using super-tools is craft too. If not, what makes the difference?

If you were talking about 'HAND-crafted' I would probably agree. What stops robots etc being HAND-crafted is that the process is automated. But even some automation is tolerated. You wouldn't say a microbrewery or a homebrewer that used one of those ATC 800 thingamajigs to monitor the fermentation temperatures was no longer craft, would you? More automation is just more of the same in the interests of greater consistency. Why would that make a difference to whether or not something is craft?

'Squirting chemicals' is pure rhetoric. All the ingredients in beer are chemical. H2O is a chemical. Fermentation is a chemical process. Small scale brewing is about controlling chemical reactions with the aim of producing beer just as much as industrial scale brewing is.

Do you really think it's true that macrobreweries care more about their share price than about the quality of the product? I think they care about both because getting the product right is a precondition of making a profit. They have to care about their product. The simple fact is that macro beer is how it is because that's what the market wants. That's what consumers want. If the majority wanted to drink SNPA, they'd give it to them. They're buying micros now because that's where the market is growing. They invest in advertising and all that because all the macros have pretty much nailed what ordinary people want to drink so they can't compete on the qualities of the products themselves but have to compete by creating an image.

This is depressing.......... 14 years 6 months ago #35

&amp;quot;UpsidedownA&amp;quot;:3eshf86m wrote: The simple fact is that macro beer is how it is because that's what the market wants. That's what consumers want.[/quote:3eshf86m]It doesn't make their beer craft, though. I'm sure they take the utmost care with quality controls at the Easi Singles factory, and they supply exactly what a hell of a lot of people want from a cheese. But if you reckon that makes them an artisan cheesemaker it's time to stop drawing any distinctions at all.

This is depressing.......... 14 years 6 months ago #36

What I meant was that their recipe choices were determined by the tastes of the general public. Their brewing technology allows them to give it to them.

If their brewing expertise doesn't count as craft, why? Because of their recipes? That's absurd. If it is simply the scaling up of their enterprise, then people are just using 'craft' to mean small, which is again absurd.

Diageo is calling Smithwick's Pale Ale 'craft-brewed' and what grounds has anyone given to say it's not?
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