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"TheBeerNut":1y9sjy5d wrote:

"simonok":1y9sjy5d wrote: or even really looking at any style guidelines[/quote:1y9sjy5d]Style guidelines are mostly written for homebrew competitions so it wouldn't really be appropriate for a commercial brewery to follow them.[/quote:1y9sjy5d]

Not so sure about the primary purpose of style guidelines being to judge home brew competitions...

"Style guidelines" are just an attempt to understand and classify different beers; much of the early work of Michael Jackson of defining and categorizing beers could be called a "style guideline". They are most certainly attempts at categorizing beer OUTSIDE of it's context, though.

The BJCP guidelines are definitely used in homebrew competitions.

The Brewer's Association has their own style guidelines and they're made up of professional brewers only. <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="www.brewersassociation.org/pages/busines...eer-style-guidelines">www.brewersassociation.org/pages ... guidelines


Adam

&amp;quot;Biertourist&amp;quot;:1mu9d3so wrote: much of the early work of Michael Jackson of defining and categorizing beers could be called a "style guideline".[/quote:1mu9d3so]I disagree. Guidelines are meant to be followed: they are necessarily prescriptive. Jackson's early work was very much [i:1mu9d3so]de[/i:1mu9d3so]scriptive. My comment was in reply to a suggestion that Carlow Brewing ought to have followed a prescriptive guideline in order to brew a double IPA.

Yes, the BA guidelines are not written for homebrew competitions, hence my use of the word "mostly". Besides which, isn't O'Hara's Double IPA within the boundaries of both the BA and BJCP guidelines for a Double/Imperial IPA?

&amp;quot;TheBeerNut&amp;quot;:1uqsvupk wrote: I disagree. Guidelines are meant to be followed: they are necessarily prescriptive. Jackson's early work was very much [i:1uqsvupk]de[/i:1uqsvupk]scriptive.....

Yes, the BA guidelines are not written for homebrew competitions, hence my use of the word "mostly". Besides which, isn't O'Hara's Double IPA within the boundaries of both the BA and BJCP guidelines for a Double/Imperial IPA?[/quote:1uqsvupk]

This is where this whole discussion flips on its head:

If your guidelines are prescriptive, then yes, O'Hara's DIPA satisfies both the BA and BJCP standards, though at the low end of the range for each.

But if your style assessment is descriptive, then you ask, "What other beers are like this?"
In that case, O'Hara's IPA resembles nothing more than a rake of American IPAs that are around 7%, 60-70 IBUs, and packed with citrus and tropical fruit notes:
[list:1uqsvupk]Racer 5, Sculpin, Torpedo, Jai Lai, Flower Power, etc.[/list:u:1uqsvupk]
Commercial examples of DIPAs under 8%, on the other hand, are hard to find.

This is why I say: it's a straight ahead (and very nice) American IPA, regardless of what O'Hara's choose to call it.