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I wouldn't consider either DIPAs really.. Hey wouldn't be prime examples of the style

"simonok":3l2vw026 wrote: I'm not tryin to say my belief system is more valid than the next persons.[/quote:3l2vw026]You said Carlow got it "wrong". That would suggest that you are precisely saying that your belief system is more valid than the one which named their beer.

"simonok":3l2vw026 wrote: certainly wouldn't rate the O haras one at all[/quote:3l2vw026]And that's totally fair enough, but a different issue to style concerns. Unless you're saying something has to be true-to-style in order to taste good, which would be an odd standpoint, I think.

&amp;quot;simonok&amp;quot;:3l2vw026 wrote: what you said about most beer drinkers categorise them together, i wouldnt really agree with, a macro drinker might bundle them into the same category, but the discerning crafy beer drinker would surely differentiate![/quote:3l2vw026]You reckon there are more discerning craft beer drinkers than macro drinkers out there? I don't think the numbers are there to support that one, unfortunately <!-- s:P --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt="" title="Razz" /><!-- s:P -->

But I don't think such a stark distinction is helpful. In between the two groups there's a raft of beer drinkers who aren't on RateBeer or Untappd or Beoir and aren't concerned about the precise minutiae of style categories. A double IPA that's a wee bit on the weak side isn't going to clang as OMG totally wrong the way that a hypothetical pale stout or fizzless lager might. It's a minor style-crime at worst.

So, semantics aside, is this available anywhere at the moment?

Brewery Corner, Kilkenny have it as a constant tap. Otherwise it has made appearances in the B&C and Kavanaghs.

i think brewers do have a responsibilty to have their beer taste like the particular style that they advertise (just like any product). if they feel their beer isnt like the rest of that style then dont call your beer a beer of that style.

if a brewer advertises his beer as a stout and i buy it based on this labeling i think i have a right to be peeved if its a light pale ale. i think the people here have a right to let others know that this beer dissapoints as a DIPA and also that they can complain and say o haras shouldnt call it such if it really is not like that style.

&amp;quot;DCBrewing&amp;quot;:2sx8g082 wrote: if they feel their beer isnt like the rest of that style then dont call your beer a beer of that style.[/quote:2sx8g082]What if they [i:2sx8g082]do[/i:2sx8g082] think it fits the style but you disagree?

&amp;quot;DCBrewing&amp;quot;:2sx8g082 wrote: if a brewer advertises his beer as a stout and i buy it based on this labeling i think i have a right to be peeved if its a light pale ale.[/quote:2sx8g082]Agreed.

&amp;quot;DCBrewing&amp;quot;:2sx8g082 wrote: i think the people hear have a right to let others know that this beer dissapoints as a DIPA[/quote:2sx8g082]Agreed.

&amp;quot;DCBrewing&amp;quot;:2sx8g082 wrote: also that they can complain and say o haras shouldnt call it such if it really is not like that style.[/quote:2sx8g082]If it [i:2sx8g082]really[/i:2sx8g082] isn't like that style, then fair enough. But this isn't a "really" situation. It's a difference of opinion. Is it not possible that the O'Hara's is merely at the low end of the double IPA scale, strength and hops-wise, rather than being something else altogether? No stylistic benefit of the doubt here?

A question for the people who think both a) O'Hara's Double IPA isn't a double IPA and b) that it's not a very good beer: Is there any true-to-style double IPA that you don't like?