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&amp;quot;Will_D&amp;quot;:3gpvsscn wrote: Just remeber that 8 Degrees is their longitude and not the serving tempoerature in Farhenheit! <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt="" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->[/quote:3gpvsscn]
They also say on the bottle that it's the perfect serving temperature for their beer.

&amp;quot;Saruman&amp;quot;:3exr5emt wrote:

&amp;quot;Will_D&amp;quot;:3exr5emt wrote: Just remeber that 8 Degrees is their longitude and not the serving tempoerature in Farhenheit! <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt="" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->[/quote:3exr5emt]
They also say on the bottle that it's the perfect serving temperature for their beer.[/quote:3exr5emt]

I think they kind of stretch that a little though. I'd say they don't really want bars serving Bohemian Pilsner at 8 degrees celsius.

&amp;quot;Saruman&amp;quot;:2wt5gop3 wrote:

&amp;quot;Will_D&amp;quot;:2wt5gop3 wrote: Just remeber that 8 Degrees is their longitude and not the serving tempoerature in Farhenheit! <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt="" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->[/quote:2wt5gop3]
They also say on the bottle that it's the perfect serving temperature for their beer.[/quote:2wt5gop3]

I rest my case <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt="" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: -->

A good and very informative thread. I have just joined the forum and put a couple of posts on this very subject in the 'introduce yourself' thread. I said to myself I'd leave it as the couple of replies I got indicated my point/question didnt go down too well. but I'm glad I decided to google and found that this conversation has already taken place.

I don't believe beer serving temperature to be a subjective thing or anything to do with preference. It's wrong to serve tasty ale/beer at too low or too high a temperature. If you like it cold......well that's a shame. Beer is actually tastier and more satisfying than you know.

A lot of this problem has to do with the pub,as already discussed, and the fact that we Irish definitely prefer to get our drink served as pints in these establishments. Perhaps we need to look more towards bottles and try and get them served at the correct temp which should be less of a problem than changing keg cooling systems ?

As I had mentioned in the other thread I ordered a bottle of Dungarvan Helvick in Brew Dock recently which came out ice cold from the fridge. It was far far inferior to the 'cooled' bottle I had at home a couple of days previous, probably not helped by the bar man flinging the bottle around as he attempted to open it and this disturbing all the sediment. <!-- s:o --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_surprised.gif" alt="" title="Surprised" /><!-- s:o -->

Lack of training of bar staff as has been mentioned??? Probably. On holiday in Norway recently I sampled a fair few local crafts. The bar man in the hotel was a clear enthusiast and made sure to properly pour a bottled ale with sediment (incidentally no gassy kegged stuff on offer) so that an unsuspecting curious customer would get the best out of the beer. I'm sure this is something the breweries themselves would and should give a shit about? Are Dungarvan happy to let their beer be served at the wrong temp despite the advice on the bottle and just being in a darned pub is enough?

&amp;quot;Grim Reality&amp;quot;:1uv2tl4k wrote: Perhaps we need to look more towards bottles and try and get them served at the correct temp which should be less of a problem than changing keg cooling systems ?

As I had mentioned in the other thread I ordered a bottle of Dungarvan Helvick in Brew Dock recently which came out ice cold from the fridge. It was far far inferior to the 'cooled' bottle I had at home a couple of days previous, probably not helped by the bar man flinging the bottle around as he attempted to open it and this disturbing all the sediment. <!-- s:o --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_surprised.gif" alt="" title="Surprised" /><!-- s:o -->

I'm sure this is something the breweries themselves would and should give a shit about? Are Dungarvan happy to let their beer be served at the wrong temp despite the advice on the bottle and just being in a darned pub is enough?[/quote:1uv2tl4k]

I think the problem with that would be seperate fridges for different beers, all at different temperatures. Esp if you're a small pub/ licensed cafe. As for changing the keg cooling systems, I might be an idea to find out how a well established pub who serves craft/cask ales at the ideal temp manages it. They also serve extra cold keg beers.

I do agree that the breweries could help.

On the bottle front. A pub in Glasgow that I used to drink in, served a lot of Belgium Dunklel/trappist style beer. Some of them were served straight off the shelf at room temperature

Have you seen how many fridges a big bar has/

Hardly rocket science to thermally incline 8 fridges for perfect serving temps!