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"TheBeerNut":3e2p7dg2 wrote: They brew high-gravity wort and ship it to breweries outside Ireland who dilute, ferment and package it.

I tend to think of it as making homebrew kits, only on a somewhat bigger scale.[/quote:3e2p7dg2]

So if someone outsources a part of their production, they're not considered a brewery by Beoir? Outsourcing agreements are a fact of life in many industries and this is only going to become MORE prevalent in beer.

There are MANY breweries on the list of 19 that are outsourcing parts of their production and packaging, including across borders...

Is the definition simply where the beer is fermented? -If a brewery mashed their malts and boiled their wort in another country and imported it here (I know this makes no sense from an excise perspective) and fermented it, would that then permit them to be listed on the brewery list? (That sounds like "Irish Craft Fermentationists" vs. "Irish Craft Brewers" to me.)

Guinness is thought of as an "Irish brewery" and most of their product is exported as concentrated wort and fermented in local geographies in the same manner.


Seems overly legalistic and a parallel to CAMRA's legalistic definition of what "Real Ale" should be to me except instead of being focused on carbonation method it's focused on the country of fermentation.



Just seems like an arbitrary and unnecessary line to draw that appears to unfairly single out breweries who outsource a particular part of their production.


Adam

"Biertourist":111bwc5b wrote: So if someone outsources a part of their production, they're not considered a brewery by Beoir? [/quote:111bwc5b]If the bit of the production is the bit where beer is produced, then yes.

"Biertourist":111bwc5b wrote: There are MANY breweries on the list of 19 that are outsourcing parts of their production[/quote:111bwc5b]Streeeectly speaking, Metalman shouldn't be listed yet. But we like them.

"Biertourist":111bwc5b wrote: If a brewery mashed their malts and boiled their wort in another country and imported it here (I know this makes no sense from an excise perspective)[/quote:111bwc5b]It's exactly the Strangford Lough model, only in the opposite direction. And yes, if wort and hops are coming in and beer is going out, I can't see many people having trouble calling it a brewery. Can you?

"Biertourist":111bwc5b wrote: Guinness is thought of as an "Irish brewery" and most of their product is exported as concentrated wort and fermented in local geographies in the same manner. [/quote:111bwc5b]I don't think this is true.

"Biertourist":111bwc5b wrote: Just seems like an arbitrary and unnecessary line to draw that appears to unfairly single out breweries who outsource a particular part of their production. [/quote:111bwc5b]The particular part where they turn ingredients into beer? I don't consider that arbitrary. It's pretty central, I reckon.

"Gues7":hn2npkzl wrote: I think the point BM is making is that they don't produce beer at all, only wort. They don't ferment it, all they do is make the equivalent to hopped LME and sell it to other breweries to use in their products...[/quote:hn2npkzl]
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&amp;quot;Biertourist&amp;quot;:hn2npkzl wrote: Just seems like an arbitrary and unnecessary line to draw that appears to unfairly single out breweries who outsource a particular part of their production.


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