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"TheBeerNut":3ltag44p wrote:

"Tube":3ltag44p wrote: But it doesn't really.[/quote:3ltag44p]Yes. It does.[/quote:3ltag44p]
I'm not really arguing either way. I just don't think it's as clear cut as that, and each case needs to be evaluated on its own merit.

Personally I would not consider cider made from English apples to be anything other than English cider, especially as apples make up 99.99% of the total ingredients.

Like ripened bananas, there's very little added but time. <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt="" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) -->

There's a fair bit taken away. I've yet to pull an apple skin or any pips out of a glass of cider. A banana left alone will ripen. An apple won't turn into cider, though.

&amp;quot;TheBeerNut&amp;quot;:wctz1oav wrote: There's a fair bit taken away. I've yet to pull an apple skin or any pips out of a glass of cider. [/quote:wctz1oav]
You haven't had cider made by new age hippies then <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt="" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->

Looking forward to a good topic of conversation now this evening!

(Gotta go, the carpenter is here)

Can I throw in another spanner re the apples and cider analogy.............not a single solitary drop of cider produced in Ireland is made from Irish cider apples,that goes for all the macros and other operaters and craft guys like double L.

They all without exception use English and French cider apple varieties grown in Ireland......varieties in the apple world being the same as breeds in the dog world as in English Bulldog and Irish Red Setter.

Bulmers list 17 varieties used in their cider, all of which are English and French even the Irish sounding ones like "Bulmers Norman" which is just a renamed French one.There are over 300 English cider apple varieties each with its own unique flavour profile but perhaps only a couple dozen of these are capable of making an exquisite cider in the right hands. BTW Bulmers 17 (bar the French ones) are chosen from this couple dozen famous English cider apple varieties.

So, Bulmers "original Irish cider" and all the others are made from English cider apples.........yes/no ?

And before anyone answers that I would also like to ask,if I had an English Bulldog born and bred in Ireland could I call it and its offspring, original Irish Bulldogs ? <!-- s:? --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_confused.gif" alt="" title="Confused" /><!-- s:? -->

Mark.

&amp;quot;Jenky&amp;quot;:b6qeottt wrote: Can I throw in another spanner re the apples and cider analogy.............not a single solitary drop of cider produced in Ireland is made from Irish cider apples,that goes for all the macros and other operaters and craft guys like double L.[/quote:b6qeottt]

Are you sure about that- I'm pretty sure David Llewellyn's cider is made from apples from his own orchard. (I'll ask him when I see him on Sunday).

For what its worth, I forgot to mention there are about 140 remaining Irish apple varieties (cookers, eaters and cider)of which only 6 are cider varieties and none of these are in commercial production.
Mark.