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"Adeptus":1clt0qgu wrote: Just out of curiosity, [b:1clt0qgu]can you point me to records of brewing on that site since the 1400's?[/b:1clt0qgu] We found that The Cork Porter Brewery was known to be run by Edward Allen in 1715, and I just saw now that the Wiki piece says there was brewing at that location at least from 1650 and [i:1clt0qgu]possibly [/i:1clt0qgu]as far back as 1500. I'd be interested in anything concrete that goes back to at least 1650. Colin Rynne mentions nothing in "The Industrial Archaeology of Cork City".

The earliest documented brewery I know of, so far, dates to at least 1583. Joseph Watkins and Co., of Ardee Street, Dublin, which was formerly the Abbey of St. Thomas. In 1583 there is a record of an award in a suit in which the Mayor and Aldermen of the city sued the Abbot of St. Thomas for the duty on beer brewed by him. They were most likely brewing for a while before that date. They had the place since 1215! <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt="" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D --> Of course the place was closed by the Guinness machine.

By the way, this all relates to this piece[/url:1clt0qgu] I wrote with the help of research by TBN and n1mbus. The Wiki I promised has been delayed <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt="" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D -->[/quote:1clt0qgu]

I cannot , I may be remembering incorrectly, and it may have been 1500's that was said to me , It was something in conversation with Rory the Head Brewer In Beamish last year on a tour I won , so my recollection may be Hazy . There were several Breweries on the site when Beamish was founded , which were over time absorbed into the Beamish and Crawford Brewery , and it isn't unreasonable to assume that the site was the city centre Brewing site for quite some time.

&amp;quot;Ger Cork&amp;quot;:o5zweatt wrote: Item in this week's Cork Independent that Heineken are to meet with National Conservation & Heritage Group on 15th Arpil re proposed sale of the site as the latter have threatened to make a complaint to the EU re the sale. Not sure what will come of it but I think Heineken do not want to get any bad press locally re the sale so the more pressure the better. It would be a ahame as Taf says if we end up with yet another apartment block here.[/quote:o5zweatt]

if its any consolation, the building trade is fecked at the moment, so hopefully thats something on our side

&amp;quot;Adeptus&amp;quot;:x4fdsmpz wrote: Another by the way,[b:x4fdsmpz] where did you hear the CAMRA stuff?[/b:x4fdsmpz] I'm curious, as it falls outside their territory, and they won't even support small craft brewers in the UK who use [b:x4fdsmpz]kegs[/b:x4fdsmpz], never mind a [b:x4fdsmpz]dying Irish giant.[/b:x4fdsmpz]

I would have thought some of those building must be listed/protected, but I can't find anything in the Architectural Survey. But then, I have been drinking...[/quote:x4fdsmpz]

Well it was heard in the Pub , sooooo ... <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt="" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: -->


Whatever , about Camra and their feelings about Kegs , the fact is any support they are lending is not for the company or beer m< beamish ., But for the site , and the site's historical importance .

In fairnes brewing has been that sites function for at least 400 years [i:x4fdsmpz]continuosly[/i:x4fdsmpz], not something that should be allowed fall prey to the mergers of Multinationals without someone at least crying out " NO !"

i've very mixed feelings about all this to be honest. if a micro brewer moved into part of it grand, but i'm not really sure why it should be saved, the tudor front is a fake, a nice fake but still a fake - if the people in cork were interested in supporting irish owned beer they'd be queuing up in the franciscan well and supporting their beers.

i'm sorry for the people that have lost their jobs but i don't see how a petition will save something that was done on a commericial basis - should the council or government be expected to prop up or keep open all businesses where there's no commercial sense to it because there's a bit of history to the site? or because it has a fake building at the front?

Hi Dereko.

If you don't want the building saved, fair enough don't sign the petition. I for one do, and there are many others like me, and we are trying to pass on the word. The buildings outside might be fake, but it's a nice landmark, and it would be a shame to see it go. It's not just about brewing but about the history of an area, and too much history has been lost already.

By the way, you should have seen the queues outside the Well over the weekend, with plenty of Cork people supporting Irish Craft beer, grat to see.

Cheers.

&amp;quot;Ger Cork&amp;quot;:2lhiztde wrote: Item in this week's Cork Independent that Heineken are to meet with National Conservation & Heritage Group on 15th Arpil re proposed sale of the site as the latter have threatened to make a complaint to the EU re the sale. Not sure what will come of it but I think Heineken do not want to get any bad press locally re the sale so the more pressure the better.[/quote:2lhiztde]I think Heineken are taking that gamble, judging from[/url:2lhiztde] today's Irish Times.

Time to step up that bad press campaign. What's next?