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18 years 3 months ago #43

Nice letter, by the way TBN. Puts the point very well.

I considered writing one myself, but since I actually work for the Irish Times, it seemed like the wrong thing to do.

18 years 3 months ago #44

"sbillings":2hhdi7xg wrote: since I actually work for the Irish Times, it seemed like the wrong thing to do.[/quote:2hhdi7xg]Yeah, as a recently-liberated civil servant I know how that goes.

I think this topic would be great for the Head-To-Head column. You couldn't drop a Post-It on the relevant person's screen by any chance?

18 years 3 months ago #45

Not even in the same building.

18 years 3 months ago #46

Stonch (a member of ICB) touches on the underage thing in his blog today;

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Interesting. There is obviously no easy solution to the problem.

18 years 3 months ago #47

Some good points in that blog, Being only a few years past the alleyway drinking scene myself i do remember disliking going into adult orientated pubs as the unwelcoming feeling always lingered until you left. That said i do believe that a lowering of the legal drinking age could lead to a greater respect for alcohol amongst the next generation. Perhaps if we as "legal" adults did not look down our noses on younger people in pubs and instead showed a bit more reserve ourselves, It may lead to less of a binge and more of a social drinking scene.

(this would take a long time granted, but maybe in a perfect ireland)
obviously other strategies would have to be in place also, the idea of education is one that i particularly support.

18 years 2 months ago #48

Here are some suggestions for changes in the law I have come up with. I think they are sensible and I hope workable suggestions for making things a bit better. I do not address the issue of under-age drinking, as I consider this to be an enforcement issue and as our children are products of our society and learn from what we do, I believe the solution is to address adult binge drinking first.

Let me know what you think:

I would recommend a gradual, multi-pronged approach, featuring the following:

1. A freeze on alcohol duty coupled with a lowering of duty on low alcohol products, such as mid strength beers.

The point of this is to stop encouraging binge drinking with price inflation and to encourage sensible consumption rates.

2. A gradual extension of pub opening times, on licensed premises that want to stay open longer, to allow patrons who wish to stay out later to do so. This would be achieved by an annual extension of 15 or 30 minutes, cumulative with the previous years extension, to allow for a slow adjustment period. The ultimate aim of this policy is to allow for the eventual elimination of legally enforced closing times.

This is to cut down on the closing time binge phenomenon and associated antisocial behaviour.

3. Alterations to two licenses:

The amendment of the special restaurant license, allowing restaurants to sell alcohol to customers without requiring the purchase of a substantial meal, as long as substantial food is available at the time and all other requirements of the special restaurant license are met.

The creation of a beer and wine on-licence, which would be issued without the need for a court certificate, but only allow for the sale of beer, wine and cider. The availability of snacks and light meals at all times alcohol is for sale might also be a requirement this license.

The idea here is to diversify locations for the consumption of alcohol and weaken the artificial separation between food and drink which has developed in the Irish pub, without completely eliminating the de facto competitive advantage of the holder of a pub license, over night. It should result in fewer high pressure drinking environments, without throwing the door open for a simple mushrooming in the numbers of pubs. Because food service is a perquisite of the restaurant licence, as is seating of customers, while the beer and wine on-licensee, still has a far more limited selection of stock available than the publican. Publicans would have time to adjust to the changing drinking culture, giving them a chance to offer more than a simple place to binge drink.

4. A requirement for all on licence premises to sell tea, coffee, soft drinks, fruit juices, mineral water, etc. as long as alcohol is for sale and to cap the per volume price of all non alcoholic drinks at the per volume price of the least expensive alcoholic drink available on the premises.

This is to address the poor availability of non alcoholic beverages in licensed premises, as well as the exorbitant prices asked for them when they are available.

These are, by necessity gradual changes which, broadly speaking, work within the current alcohol licensing structure. This is to allow our society and our existing alcohol outlets to adjust to the new situation. Over time, as the adjustment takes hold, further changes could be considered, perhaps with a view to streamlining the current Byzantine alcohol licensing system, so that only “alcohol on” and “alcohol off” licences are needed and the market place, along with planning authorities, is allowed to determine their numbers and location, without recourse to the courts.
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