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&amp;quot;bigears&amp;quot;:q1ev9glb wrote: Joe Public won't know whether hops are used in the beer or not as long as there is some form of bittering present. There's very little hop character in a hefe anyway so he has probably chosen a good style to experiment. If it doesn't work out he can revert to using hops and Joe Public will still be none the wiser <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt="" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) -->[/quote:q1ev9glb]

Did he say he was not using hops? From what I heard he is just making a regular hefe and saying it a 1500 year old recipe?

&amp;quot;oblivious&amp;quot;:35bw4ldc wrote: looks like he started out with one of those very fancy Brouwland systems[/quote:35bw4ldc]

Pic of the system Here

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He hasn't seen many microbreweries if he thinks using stainless steel ex-dairy vessels is going to be unique to him.

I have a looming redundancy coming up (the life of a postdoc <!-- s:? --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_confused.gif" alt="" title="Confused" /><!-- s:? --> ) I've daydreamed on a number of occasions about setting a micro up, actually had a few interested parties wanting to order beer after trying some samples, but i've always been put off by the initial start up costs, but if all these other guys are getting on the pilot system at loughry (I doubt they will be at max capacity yet) maybe i should get in touch with them and throw my hat into the ring.
It is beginning to get a bit crowded up here on the micro scene but i think i'd be interested in doing it in a new way so maybe there is still room.

Anyway thats enough dreaming for one day.

&amp;quot;delboy&amp;quot;:3jbtj9j4 wrote: It is beginning to get a bit crowded up here on the micro scene[/quote:3jbtj9j4]For 4-5% ABV session beers maybe, but there's a whole realm of exportable specialty beer that hasn't been exploited at all.

&amp;quot;delboy&amp;quot;:2r5b5zhz wrote: I have a looming redundancy coming up (the life of a postdoc <!-- s:? --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_confused.gif" alt="" title="Confused" /><!-- s:? --> ) [/quote:2r5b5zhz]

Sorry to hear, I known what that like. Down here they have decided that you post doc working life is 6 years. Even if you have work out side of the country, after that if either set up a company, go to industry (but no real jobs there) or become a principle investigator (a there is feck all funding around now!). Even though every other job has a mandatory permanent posting after 4 years of contracted services

&amp;quot;delboy&amp;quot;:2r5b5zhz wrote: I've daydreamed on a number of occasions about setting a micro up, .[/quote:2r5b5zhz]

Who know it may well be that time!

&amp;quot;TheBeerNut&amp;quot;:3jblt1xz wrote:

&amp;quot;delboy&amp;quot;:3jblt1xz wrote: It is beginning to get a bit crowded up here on the micro scene[/quote:3jblt1xz]For 4-5% ABV session beers maybe, but there's a whole realm of exportable specialty beer that hasn't been exploited at all.[/quote:3jblt1xz]

Even within the 4-5% range, I'd love to see someone doing innovative stuff and make it look like they're having fun - like Williams brothers. No room for more Irish Reds and Stouts thanks.