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"Wallacebiy":1mtva1st wrote:

"Tube":1mtva1st wrote: Or how about a 20L oak barrel. He'll ship to Ireland:

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I'd certainly love a few 10l or 20 l barrels[/quote:1mtva1st]

I'd like a couple too.
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From what I've been reading new oak barrels can impart very harsh flavours, beer is normally aged in barrels that have been previously used for spirits or wines.
Especially with smaller barrels, as the ratio of beer in contact with wood is much higher.

Beer was originally stored in oak casks that had never had anything else in them. Some would argue that the modern ss/alu/plastic cask isn't authentic as a result.

&amp;quot;Spud 395&amp;quot;:1u1u6cuu wrote: From what I've been reading new oak barrels can impart very harsh flavours, beer is normally aged in barrels that have been previously used for spirits or wines.
Especially with smaller barrels, as the ratio of beer in contact with wood is much higher.[/quote:1u1u6cuu]

A long long time in a galaxy far away ( aka. Manchester ) I bought some new chestnut barrels for wine making. These had been waxed with FG paraffin wax so that the initial wines would not be overlly affected. This was exactly the case. The first wine should be a quick cheap and cheerful sweetish brew and drunk out of the way. Subsequent fillings and cleanings broke in the barrels superbly.

So, buy a new oak barrel, wax it, knock up a cheap n cherfull red wine or two then use it for beer or whatever. After all, if the barrel is costing €80 plus delivery a €20 quid red wine kit is hardly an extravagence!

Cheers

Will

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Stainless steel casks, 10 or 15 litre (or bigger, but only 18 Euro for the 15, 2nd hand), coated externally with plastic. A mate of mine here has bought a load of them used. A large hole for filling/cleaning and two smaller holes for tapping/venting.

This guy is big into cask-conditioned beers (and recently made a rauch weizen doppelbock for a competition that breaks every known Reinheitsgebot rule <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt="" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D -->)

&amp;quot;Spud 395&amp;quot;:o0245eh8 wrote: From what I've been reading new oak barrels can impart very harsh flavours,[/quote:o0245eh8]
I'm not so sure. Odell's Woodcut series of beers is in virgin American Oak:
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&amp;quot;Spud 395&amp;quot;:o0245eh8 wrote: beer is normally aged in barrels that have been previously used for spirits or wines.[/quote:o0245eh8]
I think that might be because those barrels are readily available, as once they've been used once they can't be re-used.

Prior to modern stainless steel casks oak was the material of choice.