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Sorry about that Louis, you should see it now if you refresh.

<!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt="" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D --> I'm in, thanks very much.

Really delighted to see this happening. The hard work that has been put into changing public (and publican <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt="" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: --> <!-- s:roll: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt="" title="Rolling Eyes" /><!-- s:roll: --> ) perception of beer by members of this forum is commendable, though in addition to the arguments eloquently made by Adeptus and TheBeerNut I think Séan's point about 'standing' is key. At the end of the day it is as much about perception (and for want of a better word, marketing) as anything else. The macro interests firmly understand this.

As an aside, as a non-brewing member, I often feel a little alienated from the site, and although I share an appreciation of beer with other members, because of the membership the generated content is of a brewing focus. Beoir seems to be filling a place which ICB hasn't or couldn't, rather than superceding the site. Right?

&amp;quot;9BeanRow&amp;quot;:hlrhogh0 wrote: because of the membership the generated content is of a brewing focus. Beoir seems to be filling a place which ICB hasn't or couldn't, rather than superceding the site. Right?[/quote:hlrhogh0]Oooo, controversial. ICB has always been a place for discussing good commercial beer and where it can be got. The brewing stuff generates more content because one needs a lot more help in making a beer than just drinking one (or at least I do). Plus, the meeja is far more interested in having us in to talk about brewing than whine about the lack of decent beer.

But yes: it is true that Beoir will hopefully be filling a place that ICB can't, but that place is out in the real world. I can't see there being any major changes to the theme of the discussions on here.

So I'll throw in the standby argument of trollish mods everywhere: if there isn't enough talk about drinking, then start more threads on the subject <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt="" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: -->

&amp;quot;TheBeerNut&amp;quot;:2vajo95i wrote:

&amp;quot;9BeanRow&amp;quot;:2vajo95i wrote: because of the membership the generated content is of a brewing focus. Beoir seems to be filling a place which ICB hasn't or couldn't, rather than superceding the site. Right?[/quote:2vajo95i]Oooo, controversial. ICB has always been a place for discussing good commercial beer and where it can be got. The brewing stuff generates more content because one needs a lot more help in making a beer than just drinking one (or at least I do). Plus, the meeja is far more interested in having us in to talk about brewing than whine about the lack of decent beer.

But yes: it is true that Beoir will hopefully be filling a place that ICB can't, but that place is out in the real world. I can't see there being any major changes to the theme of the discussions on here.

So I'll throw in the standby argument of trollish mods everywhere: if there isn't enough talk about drinking, then start more threads on the subject <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt="" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: -->[/quote:2vajo95i]

While I take your point, I think there is more to it than whining about lack of decent beer. As you are more familiar with than I, there is decent Irish beer out there, a lack of exposure, interest, kudos etc is the problem and hopefully one Beoir will be part of the remedy for. Simply chatting about it amongst ourselves isn't going to change that. <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt="" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: -->

Oh absolutely. Or that's the plan, anyway.