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Here is another interesting one referencing Sour Porter, aged maybe?

156 1 Oct. 1857 – 16 May 1862
Ledger listing various accounts for James J. Murphy & Co. brewery. There is a mss index at front under headings – Stock; Malt; Hops; [Sour] porter; [insurance] J & WJ Murphy; Edward Lane; Charges; Ladys Well Brewery; Buildings & Utensils; Coals etc.; [Cussen]; Houses & Licences; Interest; and Balance Sheet. Opposite this page is mss list of names of individuals and amounts of money.

An one that may list malts used like amber

170 30 Sept. 1886 – 14 Nov. 1891
Hardback cloth and leather “Receipts and Deliveries” book for Messrs. James J. Murphy & Co. Ltd., Lady‟s Well Brewery, Cork. Detail information under headings – RECEIPTS; Date; Malt, Brls.; Black, Stones; Amber, Brls., qrs.; lbs.; Hops, lbs.; DELIVERIES; Date; No. of Brewings; Malt, Bins &c; Brls.; Black, Stones; Amber, Brls.; qrs.; lbs; Hops; and Total. Stuck inside the book are mss lists on “Goods consumed since…” covering up to 30th September 1886 and 1887 (30th Sept. 1887 & 30th Sept. 1888). Printed by Purcell and Company, 124 Patrick Street and Lavitts Quay, Cork, Register No. 12374, Date 6/4/87.

An by 14 Nov. 1891 – 21 Sept. 1895 no more list of amber in the malt section, just pale and black malt

Roasted barley came late it would appear, many along the same time as Guinness

"oblivious":2pscgems wrote: Roasted barley came late it would appear, many along the same time as Guinness[/quote:2pscgems]

it would appear to happen at the 5 Sept. 1936 – 6 April 1957


Hardback “RECEIPTS/DELIVERIES” book for Messrs. James J. Murphy & Co. Ltd., Lady‟s Well Brewery, Cork. Details information under headings – RECEIPTS, Date Week ending; DESCRIPTION OF MALTS AND HOPS RECEIVED; No. of Bins; PALE MALTS, Brls.; BLACK MALTS, Stones; HOPS, Weeks Receipts Lbs., Total Lbs. Received; DELIVERIES HOPS; Date; No. of Brewing; PALE MALTS, Brls, NAME, No. of Bins; BLACK MALTS, Stones, Lbs (x6, with MSS names Leney, Agnew, Oregans, [Hallerrans], et al); TOTALS. Includes MSS list from the Malt Department re-return of stock, and the amount of hops, [b:2pscgems]roasted barley [/b:2pscgems]and carrageen moss in stock (1956).

Sour Porter might be returns from the Public houses , as it's in that list of things money was spent on .

"Wallacebiy":32hkz0kh wrote: Sour Porter might be returns from the Public houses , as it's in that list of things money was spent on .[/quote:32hkz0kh]

yea true, apparently Guinness used upto 20% returns and run off

"Wallacebiy":3bh8j99p wrote: Sour Porter might be returns from the Public houses , as it's in that list of things money was spent on .[/quote:3bh8j99p]

its listen under the insurance, insurance against bad porter or losing lost of aged porter very interesting

Some interesting events listed


“Last time of using Sugar” (9th May 1889)

“First XX Stout” (26th March 1889);