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"TheBeerNut":3ozwhg8t wrote: That's true, but it's unenforceable so it doesn't [i:3ozwhg8t]really [/i:3ozwhg8t]matter. But as you say, where a commercial licence-holder is involved, there appears to be a real problem.[/quote:3ozwhg8t]

Even still, it's fairly unsettling that something so innocent could be illegal. It's reminiscent of Chief Wiggum waiting for Homer to kick a can for the 5th time, to arrest him for illegal transportation of litter.

It just shows it to be a lazily drafted and badly worded bill.


The Scottish is much shorter, as it doesn't deal with things like labelling. It also gives a better way than ours to deal with alcohol being bundled in with other products to evade the law:

[quote:3ozwhg8t]
Where alcohol is supplied together with other products or services for a single
price, sub-paragraph (1) applies as if the alcohol were supplied on its own for
that price[/quote:3ozwhg8t]

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A challenge would have to start anew here, even if the Scottish case were successful. So, you'd still have to have a group with the financial backing to take it to the High Court, Supreme Court (the big lobby groups probably would appeal) and possibly the ECJ.

To put it plainly, if the letter of the new law was followed, Guinness would not be able to invite media people to the launch of a new beer and give them samples.

Hell, even the Guinness tour would not be allowed to give out a free Guinness.
Airport duty free and off licences could not give out free samples.

There would be thousands of business at risk, may of whom are big players with massive backing.

I would think they would protect their own interests.

Do I have it right?

It would be also be a big kick in the googlies for aspiring brewery tours
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That's certainly how it looks at this stage. But the other thing I noticed is that implementation of this has a [i:2yij7li6]long [/i:2yij7li6]way to go. Focus groups for packaging design is mentioned, and co-ordination with the same law in the North? That's something that takes two seconds to say at a policy meeting, but actually doing it?

The following seems to be pertinent:

[quote:2brvv96u]( The requirements of this Bill shall only apply to alcohol products [b:2brvv96u]for sale[/b:2brvv96u] in the State.

...

Subhead ( indicates that the provisions of the Bill relate to [b:2brvv96u]alcohol products which are
placed on the market for sale[/b:2brvv96u] within Ireland only. Alcohol products for export are not
covered by this Bill. Products that are purchased by a person in another jurisdiction for
his/her personal use are not covered by this Bill. This subhead is modelled on section 7
(12) of the Public Health (Standardised Packaging of Tobacco) Bill 2014.[/quote:2brvv96u]

This would indicate that some or all of the bill would not apply to alcohol products which are not for sale - homebrew, tasters etc.

&amp;quot;phoenix&amp;quot;:1mnrksqb wrote: The following seems to be pertinent:

[quote:1mnrksqb]( The requirements of this Bill shall only apply to alcohol products [b:1mnrksqb]for sale[/b:1mnrksqb] in the State. [/quote:1mnrksqb][/quote:1mnrksqb]

Head 6 1 (A)

[i:1mnrksqb]"Sell or supply alcohol products on the licensed premises at a price that is below
the minimum price of that product concerned"[/i:1mnrksqb]

Sale and supply appear to be covered