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17 years 8 months ago #61

[quote:34zmohsh]I've been giving this one some thought, and I reckon that up until the early 1960s there wasn't one. Irish red ale (a term, like so many others we use, invented in the late '70s by Michael Jackson) is a product of the consolidation and modernisation of Irish breweries. Iorwerth writes that when Guinness took over Smithwick's the Kilkenny brewery was producing a pale ale called Smithwick's No. 1. When Guinness decided, in 1965, that kegged draught beer was the way to go they reformulated it to make it less bitter and more appealling to the mass market. This, I suspect, was the point where the Irish red departed from English bitter.
[/quote:34zmohsh]Good point. Modern day Irish Reds tend to have very little hop character. They can start a little sweet but they finish drier as they tend to use a pinch of roast barley and a neutral yeast compared to some of the fruity English yeasts. (Do they use the same yeasts as the Irish Stouts?) You sometimes hear that they are more like Scottish Ales than English Ales but I'm not too sure if this is accurate.

17 years 8 months ago #62

I would agree, there is usually very little hop character. But I would say that Irish reds have a more grainy character then the english ones.

17 years 8 months ago #63

"TheBeerNut":1uush2lb wrote:

"n1mbus":1uush2lb wrote: I should be in the B&C for around 6pm this evening.[/quote:1uush2lb]Well you'll need to do your own make-up on the way in, then.[/quote:1uush2lb]
Not to worry, we'll bring along Homer's Make Up Gun for an instant fix.

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17 years 8 months ago #64

Good to see everyone is busy working this morning

17 years 8 months ago #65

"bigears":2q358epb wrote: You sometimes hear that they are more like Scottish Ales than English Ales but I'm not too sure if this is accurate.[/quote:2q358epb]

"n1mbus":2q358epb wrote: But I would say that Irish reds have a more grainy character then the english ones.[/quote:2q358epb]

I wonder is this a dispense issue. Smithwick's is very similar to the keeged McEwan's and Tennent's 80/- I used to drink in Scotland (a long time ago). But I don't think I've ever encountered an English keg ale served from ordinary CO2 dispense -- they all seem to be nitro these days (except for micros like Meantime and ZeroDegrees who don't really count). Could the extra grainy character be a product of using mainly CO2 rather that nitrogen in the gas mix?

17 years 8 months ago #66

"n1mbus":12kdjy73 wrote: Good to see everyone is busy working this morning[/quote:12kdjy73]Eh? This is what I do. Haven't you noticed?

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