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I was listening to a interview with Ian MacKaye who was in minor threat and fugazi. He has a policy of playing all ages gigs simply because he wants people of all ages to see his gigs.

All ages in Ireland now seems to mean on on Saturday afternoon and actually only for 15 year olds. But he means playing in a hall rather then a bar. Here he is in a hall in Kilkenny in the 90's[/url:19bvxbdp]

He makes the point that music[/url:19bvxbdp] should not be tied to alcohol. I have heard from my parents that the old dances used not have alcohol.

I vaguely remember the SFX in Dublin didn't have alcohol. I saw Ash, Primal Scream and the Happy Mondays there so it had fairly big bands. We're more venues alcohol free in the 90's? Any ideas of why?

For all the talk of banning sponsorship of events by alcohol companies the connection between booze and music is about much more than sponsorship. Is it even possible to see a popular band in Dublin with your friends (not parents) if you are under 18? What venues are still all ages?

Sorry this isnt a brewing question but I thought people here might know

I think Whealans do/did afternoon gigs at times for young bands...presume it is for underage kids anyway. Could be wrong though

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Upstairs in Féile used to as well, but I think that place is closed...

Is there a problem with under-age people attending gigs where alcohol is served? I know they have to be out of pubs by 9 (something I disagree with, but that's another story), but surly earlier gigs are OK.

I remember going to punk and metal gigs in McGonigal's in the late 80's and early 90's. The bar was open, but none of us ever went near it. We were there for the mosh pit, alcohol was for another day.

"sbillings":31jvo8wy wrote: Is there a problem with under-age people attending gigs where alcohol is served?[/quote:31jvo8wy]
Broadly, yes, as there will always be some who push the boundaries. My daughter is almost 16 and several of them have pushed the boundaries already.

"sbillings":31jvo8wy wrote: I remember going to punk and metal gigs in McGonigal's in the late 80's and early 90's. The bar was open, but none of us ever went near it. We were there for the mosh pit, alcohol was for another day.[/quote:31jvo8wy]
I remember going to events and not being allowed near the bar by the supervisory adults... some lads made up for it by sneaking in naggins in their socks.

You see on tickets "strictly over 18's event" and sometimes warnings about being accompanied by an adult. I could just see my dad tagging along to a metal gig. <!-- s:oops: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_redface.gif" alt="" title="Embarassed" /><!-- s:oops: -->

The minor threat guys talk[/url:50rrx9lg] is interesting about the economics of playing live music.

The old attitude of 5 guys driving around in a van (A DIY ethic which killed[/url:50rrx9lg] a few people[/url:50rrx9lg]) But that is not possible anymore because crowd surfing where heavy guys land on the backs of light girls necks from a height requires large numbers of security people to stop. The insurance costs of people getting injured like this brings up the price of tickets. And the combined hassle of it all means you go through ticketmaster rather then pulling up in a van and getting the driver to sell the tickets and tshirts at the door.

Not related to alcohol but interesting explanation of how gigs got so expensive. I do not buy the "we should ban sponsorship". I do think it would have little effect because alcohol and music are really tightly bound now in a way they seem not to have been in the past.