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"Tube":opmsye1b wrote:
In my opinion Real Ale™ has become a CAMRA term, whereas real ale (no capitals) is proper beer.

(Ok, I put in the ™ for effect:))[/quote:opmsye1b]

Oh, the irony in making up a definition for the term "real ale" while berating someone else's definition of the same phrase.

The type of gift only the internets could give.


Adam

[Edit: in reply to Séan]:
Sorry, I was going to post more, then left that line, then deleted it.


As for the definition in question, yes we do cask our beer, and I am a big fan of cask ales, but we also selectively install cask breathers - on a case by case basis depending on turnover in each pub. Now we have a situation where, by CAMRA's definition, one pub is serving real ale, while the one across the road is not.
Thankfully the average beer drinker, and Beoir, do not have such tight guidelines, and people can just enjoy cask ale for what it is.

"noby":2ydbaw0l wrote:

"Tube":2ydbaw0l wrote: whereas real ale (no capitals) is proper beer.
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As opposed to what? Fake beer?[/quote:2ydbaw0l]
Is real ale not whatever you want it to be! (For obvious reasons it cannot ever include some beers... Is Smithwicks real ale, dar leat?)

I do agree with you that CAMRA should not be forcing their view on others.

Personally I'd use real ale to describe a whole pile of beers, and not others. I don't really give a toss about the CAMRA definition.

"Tube":23yorzh3 wrote: Is real ale not whatever you want it to be! (For obvious reasons it cannot ever include some beers... Is Smithwicks real ale, dar leat?)

I do agree with you that CAMRA should not be forcing their view on others.

Personally I'd use real ale to describe a whole pile of beers, and not others. I don't really give a toss about the CAMRA definition.[/quote:23yorzh3]

I never said that CAMRA are forcing their views on others - if I implied that then that was not what I meant to do.

As for your definition of real ale - I really don't follow your logic - it's "whatever you want it to be", but it "cannot ever include some beers" If Smithwicks is real, and it is an ale, then why can it not be a real ale?

I re-read your post and took it up wrong. My apologies.

As regards me using the words real and ale, I use them fairly liberally and subjectively, as I don't have an official definition that I consult. But personally I would not use them to describe Smithwicks as I'm not sure it's "real" (yes, currently an undefined term). If you would, then that's fine, it's your call. Each to their own I say!

As for it not including some beers, sorry I was being a bit pedantic. I was talking about beers which are not ales...

As I understand it the term, "REAL ALE", is now in the oxford dictionary and gives a description of what it is and that this is also a legal description. All beer produced is real but CAMRA have got this description legalized so that they can distinguish what they support and what they dont support.