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Where to find real ale 15 years 1 month ago #13

&amp;quot;Tube&amp;quot;:19tn3ji3 wrote: It is my impression (wrongly or rightly) that adjuncts like maize are to bulk out the fermentables cheaply. I wasn't aware that Guinness made by any Irish micro (sic <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: -->) was using maize or rice etc...?[/quote:19tn3ji3]

Roasted barley is an adjunct as it is not malted.

Where to find real ale 15 years 1 month ago #14

&amp;quot;brian_c&amp;quot;:38jycts9 wrote:

&amp;quot;Tube&amp;quot;:38jycts9 wrote: It is my impression (wrongly or rightly) that adjuncts like maize are to bulk out the fermentables cheaply. I wasn't aware that Guinness made by any Irish micro (sic <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: -->) was using maize or rice etc...?[/quote:38jycts9]

Roasted barley is an adjunct as it is not malted.[/quote:38jycts9]

No, I mean adjuncts like maize and rice are specifically added to increase the fermtables cheaply. They don't bring any other qualities. I don't mean adjuncts for head retention etc.

&amp;quot;Wikipedia&amp;quot;:38jycts9 wrote: Rice is sometimes used in the production of pale lagers, most notably Anheuser-Busch's Budweiser. Anheuser-Busch is the largest North American buyer of U.S. rice.[2] Rice may be used to lighten the body and the mouthfeel, or increase alcohol content, or add a little sweetness. [b:38jycts9]Because rice is cheaper than barley, it can be used as a cost-saving measure.[/b:38jycts9]
Corn is commonly used in the production of American-style pale lagers, particularly malt liquor. Corn is generally used in brewing as corn syrup, and as such is highly fermentable. [b:38jycts9]Like rice, corn is cheaper than barley, so it is used as a cost-saving measure.[/b:38jycts9][/quote:38jycts9]

Where to find real ale 15 years 1 month ago #15

&amp;quot;Tube&amp;quot;:yarrac40 wrote: I wasn't aware that Guinness made by any Irish micro (sic <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: -->) was using maize or rice etc...?[/quote:yarrac40]They're not, but the definition doesn't mention adjuncts.

Where to find real ale 15 years 1 month ago #16

&amp;quot;TheBeerNut&amp;quot;:197e8u65 wrote: While the horse is still twitching...

I think the definition has changed very recently. If there are CAMRA insiders around maybe you could tell us. I've long been poking at them about the "traditional ingredients" bit and what that means. The definition above I pulled from the site yesterday now lists the "traditional ingredients". It doesn't say they're exclusive, but I'm [i:197e8u65]guessing[/i:197e8u65] they're there so stuff made with rice and maize doesn't get to be "real ale".[/quote:197e8u65]


Fullers have been well documeted in using Miaze fist couiple of decedaes of CAMRA life


and the current past masters xx ale, the log shows that fullers did not use one oz of English barely or hops <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: -->

Where to find real ale 14 years 9 months ago #17

As a brief follow up to the discussion of CAMRA's definition of real ale in this thread, I thought I'd post the reply I got when I asked CAMRA for clarification about the 'traditional ingredients' part of the definition. Here it is

[quote:3dewrih1]Thank you for the e-mail.

CAMRA does not say that real ale should as in the Reinheitsgebot i.e. made just from malted barley, hops water and yeast.

We have looked at the possibility of coming up with a definition for “pure beer” but have realised that there are many very traditional real ales around which do sue small proportions of other cereals in the mash and there are some breweries that use a small proportion of brewing sugar.

The porters stouts produced in the UK as real ales do use roasted malt, some may use chocolate malt.

Certain brewers use a small proportion of maize for head retention.

We do of course have a number of brewers now producing wheat beers.

The whole purpose of the term real ale is to indicate that the beer is still fermenting in the container – usually a cask but could be a bottle from which it is served with a gentle carbonation.

I trust that this answers your query.[/quote:3dewrih1]

That suggests that whether something counts as real ale or not is entirely down to whether it is cask- or bottle-conditioned or not. So, it wouldn't matter whether adjuncts are used, and therefore something like Dungarvin's Blackrock Stout would count as real ale.

Where to find real ale 14 years 9 months ago #18

&amp;quot;UpsidedownA&amp;quot;:1h1cjupu wrote: That suggests that whether something counts as real ale or not is entirely down to whether it is cask- or bottle-conditioned or not. So, it wouldn't matter whether adjuncts are used, and therefore something like Dungarvin's Blackrock Stout would count as real ale.[/quote:1h1cjupu]

CAMRA all forget that historically most London brewers where quite free with sugar and maize ion there brews

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