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Well we can agree there, it is not good value but it is not the fault of the pub that sells them.

It is just one of the things about Irish Craft Beer. It costs so much to produce beer here compared to other countries that we can not sell it on cheap enough so that by the time it is served in a pub or restaurant it is not seen as good value.

However the way I look at it is that often you will pay a similar price in any Dublin pub for a bottle of Carlsberg or some other muck that costs a fraction to produce than a hand crafted micro brewed beer in Ireland.

So when faced with that choice it is very good value to pay €5.70 for a Dungarvan beer over a bottle of Coors light <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt="" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D -->

That said, with the price of craft beer on tap being much more reasonable then I would rather go down that route in the pub and leave the bottles for at home. Unless of course I am out and want to introduce someone to some bottled Irish craft beer.

if Irish beers continue to be sold for €6 or thereabouts, they will always remain a novelty to the general public

&amp;quot;Saruman&amp;quot;:29lqzy5k wrote: Well we can agree there, it is not good value but it is not the fault of the pub that sells them.

It is just one of the things about Irish Craft Beer. It costs so much to produce beer here compared to other countries that we can not sell it on cheap enough so that by the time it is served in a pub or restaurant it is not seen as good value.
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What is it about irish beer (the stuff south of the border) that makes it so expensive hilden and the whitewater seem to be able to sell beer at reasonable prices, is it the duty (is it really that huge), the markup or what?

I can't answer that, maybe one of the brewers can answer that but I would imagine it is higher duty, higher tax, higher rent/mortgage, higher utilities and so on.

&amp;quot;delzep&amp;quot;:dpkczbib wrote: if Irish beers continue to be sold for €6 or thereabouts, they will always remain a novelty to the general public[/quote:dpkczbib]

Well maybe, but there are plenty of places around that'll charge over a fiver for a pint of Guinness, Heineken, whatever-you're-having-yourself. I hear that the Oliver St. John Gogarty in Temple Bar charges over €8 for some pints <!-- s:shock: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_eek.gif" alt=":shock:" title="Shocked" /><!-- s:shock: --> (although I suppose that's mostly tourists, to be fair).

And anyway, they often aren't anywhere near that. Doesn't B&C do €4 (or is it €4.50?) pints of Irish Micros a few nights a week? And I'm pretty sure they're under a fiver all the time. Bottles are a bit pricier, but nothing wrong with drinking kegged beer in a pub.

A lot of pubs charge around €5 for a 330ml bottle of Heineken, not that we're allowed mention those pubs by by name. The Dungarvan beers are 500ml bottles.