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Yea, but Guinness is much more noticeable icon in the Dublin landscape and we would miss the smell!, it part of Dublin charm!

"oblivious":1bt92q50 wrote: we would miss the smell!, it part of Dublin charm![/quote:1bt92q50]
Jaysis, yeah, I didn't think of that. Imagine: residents of Thomas Street would be able to hang their clothes out on the line...

I'd still rather have the site, as Seán says, developed as "the Guinness Quarter" with proper amenities and so on.

And a microbrewery...

&amp;quot;TheBeerNut&amp;quot;:xv03glrb wrote: And a microbrewery...[/quote:xv03glrb] St. James' Gate brewing company. Pint of James' Gate Stout anyone? <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt="" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: -->

&amp;quot;sbillings&amp;quot;:2wnlbbk2 wrote: The Guinness brewery is a huge area of land that is effectively a barrier to people. A huge, high walled block of nothing, that you have to walk around. Imagine all of that quayside area opened up, with flats and businesses, so you could walk through it.

Nostalgia may tell you it's a bad thing, but I think it will be a good thing for the city.[/quote:2wnlbbk2]

I any another county I would believe that. I have seen what they have done in Vancouver with high rise and the requirement to put in pay areas/ schools etc depending on population density.

I just won’t happen here, another load of family unfriendly one bed apartments, at a high coast. Dublin answer to a housing problem in the city centre was to create a tax break (section 23) that has done nothing to address this long term problem.

&amp;quot;sbillings&amp;quot;:kh13qcn8 wrote: St. James' Gate brewing company. Pint of James' Gate Stout anyone? <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt="" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: -->[/quote:kh13qcn8]
Someone was telling me in the pub at the weekend that the Smithwick family tried to set up a brewery a few years back and were leapt on by Diageo's lawyers, despite the fact that you can't trademark names. Diageo were granted an exception for the "Guinness" name, but everything else is fair game. You also can't trademark placenames AKAIK, so stout from the St. James's Gate brewery should be OK. Except, if I were Diageo I'd make sure that "no brewing" would be a condition of any commercial property sales on the development. What developer is going to have a problem with that?

&amp;quot;oblivious&amp;quot;:kh13qcn8 wrote: I just won’t happen here, another load of family unfriendly one bed apartments, at a high coast.[/quote:kh13qcn8]
If the result is something like the Docklands, I think I'd be happy. Families belong in the suburbs, and Dublin needs more high density living space near the city centre.

[quote:2wuctbg9]another load of family unfriendly one bed apartments, at a high coast.[/quote:2wuctbg9]

That is a possibility, but unlikely. Planning regulations are not the only factor which influence what is built on a site.

When it comes to city centre sites, things tend to work like this, in my experience:

If a developer has a small site, he will build flats.

If he has a medium sized site, he will build flats and offices.

If he has a large site, it will become flats offices and shops\business units.

That is not because of planning regulations, that is because of market forces.

The developer builds what he thinks he can sell at a profit and he will make more money out of a shop unit than a ground floor apartment. If he is building flats and offices anyway, he knows any business that takes the shop unit, will have a ready made set of customers, which makes the unit a marketable commodity.

The area may, or may not be family friendly, but it will be a lot more people friendly than a walled off factory.