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"TheBeerNut":3njr6go0 wrote: If the result is something like the Docklands, I think I'd be happy. Families belong in the suburbs, and Dublin needs more high density living space near the city centre.[/quote:3njr6go0]

That’s just not true, who is going live in all these apartments when people have to move out to the sprawling suburbs, Dublin now has the same area as Los Angeles!

It extremely bad planning to model a city on that notion, we just don’t have the transport system to handle the mass of people at the monument let alone in ten years. Density will have to increases in the city but it has to de done intelligently

I'd love to know know how much tourism St. James Gate actually brings to Dublin. I would be sad if they closed St. James Gate. It's one of the only things Dublin or even Ireland is really recognised for worldwide.
[quote:2kauz0ew]Guinness drinkers may cry into their pints about the closure of St James' Gate and may say beer just isn't the same from the new place, but they will still drink it[/quote:2kauz0ew]
You're probably right. But as a guinness drinker i do think I'd have the right to worry about it. Everyone knows that Ireland is famous for it's pints of Guinness and that, although the quality may vary from place to place, pints of Guinness here are generally the best in the world. I'm happy with my pint, i don't want it to change.
I won't disagree, that the area does need some work (I had a friend who lived in an apartment right next to the brewery) but i think there are other options...

It would be good if it were done intelligently, but there are no campaign contributions or brown envelopes in making developers do what they should do, rather than what will make them the most money.

There is an opportunity here to do something great with a chunk of the city which has been off limits to the public for centuries.

It is unlikely you will get a family friendly development with schools, etc. but it is equally unlikely that you will get a huge block of pack 'em in apartments. What will actually happen will be somewhere in between.

As to who is going to live in all of those apartments. I know people who are living in apartments in Blanchardstown and further out, but working in town. I know people who are commuting from the Midlands. Apartments in that part of Dublin will not stay empty and the people who are living in them won't be in their car, trying to get in from the suburbs every morning.

"sbillings":opc0g4ea wrote: [quote:opc0g4ea]another load of family unfriendly one bed apartments, at a high coast.[/quote:opc0g4ea]

That is a possibility, but unlikely. Planning regulations are not the only factor which influence what is built on a site. [/quote:opc0g4ea]

True, but they city can be planned to accommodate people, An Bord Pleanála/Dublin county council can make it a condition of the application to provide playground areas/ schools and certainly advise to make the room density bigger.

A well known developer Mick Wallace has openly condemned a lot of the apartments built around Dublin because they have not been planed to accommodate families, unlike a lot of European cites.

Diagio will move the factory and sell off the land if they think they can get away with it. They'll do the sums in their head and they'll come out some thing like this:

€700m in the bank, less €150m to set up in the sticks.

They'll reckon on losing whatever percent in sales in the first 6 months while there is a Bewley's style wringing of hands and half-arsed protests about "losing our heritage", then the 2%-3% that they'll be down yearly.

Unfortunately thats probably exactly how it will pan out.