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You're right actually, all they need to do is to keep the 'Storehouse' as a tourist spot and move the operation elsewhere. They might even be able to hold onto the original St James Gate too, the Storehouses new location even.

"TheBeerNut":9n4lbnsw wrote: The "Jameson Irish Whiskey Experience" is on Bow Street, next to Smithfield, quite near where I work. I meet lots of tourists looking for it, and coach tours being led to it. It only recently re-opened after refurbishment. The actual whiskey is made in Middleton.[/quote:9n4lbnsw]
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If it happens, I'll miss the smells from James's Gate, but not much else. I would agree with Sean's comments about the barrier to social integration that it presents. I think that it's more than coincidental that poor unfortunate tourists who take the wrong road from the Storehouse take their lives in their hands. I know this from personal experience having worked in the Guinness Enterprise Center for a number of years.

I'd put a hefty bet on the Storehouse remaing. But I'd be less cynical than some regarding what would replace the rest of the brewery. The developers are out for what they can get for sure, but there are quite strict rules now about what's acceptable and they're often specific to certain areas. I live next to the John Player site, where they wanted to put a 28 story building and nigh on 1,000 apartments. You can see plainly where the developers have tried to impress the planners with their social conscience and awareness, and the planners push back using documented rules. Of course you have to accept that the density of accommodation in Dublin must increase.

So while there'll surely be bitter pills to swallow, it will probably be a good thing for that area on the whole.

And will tourists still visit the Storehouse in their droves? Abso-f***ing-lutely.

&amp;quot;Fishamble&amp;quot;:2yz0gmz9 wrote: You can see plainly where the developers have tried to impress the planners with their social conscience and awareness, and the planners push back using documented rules.[/quote:2yz0gmz9]

Not sure what you mean?

Yeah, sorry, that wasn't very clear. The developers were making a big thing of providing playing fields, shopping, restaurants, a school, a medical centre, gyms and even a climbing wall for some reason. It seemed generous, but in reality it was keeping to the city planners' rules. There were many other things - density, height and quality of apartments, for example - that the council pushed back on.

So, while far from ideal, the planning regulations do seem to steer new developments from the worst instances of the past.

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&amp;quot;Fishamble&amp;quot;:20teft6j wrote: Yeah, sorry, that wasn't very clear. The developers were making a big thing of providing playing fields, shopping, restaurants, a school, a medical centre, gyms and even a climbing wall for some reason. It seemed generous, but in reality it was keeping to the city planners' rules. There were many other things - density, height and quality of apartments, for example - that the council pushed back on.

So, while far from ideal, the planning regulations do seem to steer new developments from the worst instances of the past.

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Unfortunately I have seen this happen, developers “plan” for these, but the land is usually held up for years, the house or apartment get build and then they want massive money for small plot to put a school on.

Or they zone the playing fields/ playground as community area (which is anything from a dump, prison, school and such), but hold it up for a few years about what the final use for it will and then look for the community to cough up 1 million euro or it revert back to the developer, who will most likely get permission to re zoned and build on it.

The worst was the developer was selling a plot of land for a school, when the school was applying for planning permission to put some prefabs on the site. As they were sharing a site with three other school! The developers put in objection and got the prefabs blocked, then built apartments on part of the land and sold what’s was left to Fingal county council for 6 million.

But I do agree the height limitation in the city will have to be increased