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"TheBeerNut":2245rwvw wrote: I don't think there's any such thing. It's a recipe for giving undue to credit to old breweries who make crap beer just because they've survived long enough, IMO.[/quote:2245rwvw]

If the second sentence is supposed to support the first in some way, then I'm not persuaded. The fact that it's possible that an old brewery (or any brewery) might gain an ill-deserved reputation entails nothing about the possibility of there being great breweries.

"Dr Jacoby":296853td wrote: The fact that it's possible that an old brewery (or any brewery) might gain an ill-deserved reputation entails nothing about the possibility of there being great breweries.[/quote:296853td]It does if you accept that a brewery is only as great as the beer that comes out of it. Even with a brewery that produces 100% great beer it's possible that a future batch will taste like a three-day-dead badger.

"Dr Jacoby":1eh29640 wrote: But that puts the bar so high it'll float into space.[/quote:1eh29640]Hence my assertion that there is no bar.

"Dr Jacoby":14srn0vt wrote: If we accept that logic then almost nothing can be considered great, because in most cases (all cases probably) there's always the possibility that at some point it won't be great.[/quote:14srn0vt]Not if it's stopped producing beer. You won't find Alexander the Great managing a Supermacs and thereby diminishing his Greatness. He's Great, and staying Great fo'evah!