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I think this is a great idea and would be more than happy to contribute beer in the name of alcoholic science research. <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt="" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->
Let me know when this is being planned and I'll get my brew groove on. Id respectfully suggest that 6 beers are used in this test (its a simple yes/no question after all) meaning that the chances of someone getting them all right by guesswork are sufficiently low (< 2%) for us to be happy that they actually can tell the difference.

aaahhhh....

I have seen many a thread such as this degenerate into a virtual punch up between "Kit" and "All Grain" brewers on the aussiehomebrewer forum.

I have participated in a few case swaps now with fellow brewers where most brews were AG but there were a number of kit-based beers. Some of the kit beers were superb - without knowing ahead of time I probably wouldn't have known they were kit beers. Most of these were stouts of some kind.

I think a light lager is very hard to pull off with a kit base... I'm pretty sure I could tell if a lager was made from a kit rather than grain.

Andrei

Thanks to regular meetings between members, punch-ups are a rarity here. As a former extract brewer I was always pleased with the responses I got for the beers me and my mate n1mbus used to make. As for those kit guys though... Oh...

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[quote:7wym0wdw]andreic

I have seen many a thread such as this degenerate into a virtual punch up between "Kit" and "All Grain" brewers on the aussiehomebrewer forum. [/quote:7wym0wdw]

It would be great if that did happen here. Unfortunately once people figure out their showboating might be put up in quotes[/url:7wym0wdw] after a test they tend to remain rather calm. Except for me, I still mouth[/url:7wym0wdw] off like a ginger balding Ali.

[quote:7wym0wdw]Most of these were stouts of some kind.[/quote:7wym0wdw]

That is interesting. Maybe stouts are free of kit tang?

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[quote:vi32ed3l]Most of these were stouts of some kind.[/quote:vi32ed3l]

That is interesting. Maybe stouts are free of kit tang?[/quote:vi32ed3l]

More likely the roasted flavours of the stout covers the kit tang, but I have heard a theory that dark grains help prevent oxidation, so maybe there is actually less of the tang in it too.

Best bet doing a kit with minimum tang would be a fresh all malt stout kit.

Stouts are always a great first time brew. They hide all sorts of bad practice.

Dark beers do indeed help prevent oxidation. The high levels of melanoidins set up scavenging cascades that soak up oxygen radicals.