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&amp;quot;rossa&amp;quot;:1p6bojbg wrote: i can only imagine a bar persons response if i asked them to ditch the head and fill it to the brim....im sure i would be shortly finding another establishment to drink in <!-- s:x --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_mad.gif" alt="" title="Mad" /><!-- s:x -->[/quote:1p6bojbg]

Why? They do it no questions asked in my experience (yes, there have been times, mostly in the past, while drinking Smithwicks or something, that I've been left with a couple of cm of head but I haven't wanted it, because for me now the only reason to drink Smithwicks is the alcohol, not the pleasure of the beer <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt="" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) -->)

&amp;quot;silenus&amp;quot;:3pdy0qo4 wrote: Guinnesss only charge for 88 pints. [/quote:3pdy0qo4]

But but but... that's because there ARE only 88 pints (a pint being 568 ml) in a 50 litre keg, at least by my maths anyway - (plus 0.028 of a pint which probably won't come out anyway).

&amp;quot;kenmc&amp;quot;:2931o6yg wrote: But but but... that's because there ARE only 88 pints (a pint being 568 ml) in a 50 litre keg, at least by my maths anyway - (plus 0.028 of a pint which probably won't come out anyway).[/quote:2931o6yg]

My point is that by controling the size of head on a pint, you can either squeeze a couple more out of the keg, or be generous to the punter by giving a smaller head. If a bar sells 40 kegs(guinness) a week at 90 pints per keg, it adds up to 17k plus a year in pure profit.
My other point is that no publican or manager of the greedy variety will accept 88 pints per keg

A few years ago i done stocktaking for a living(things were bad), and most publicans wanted 90 pints per keg, for sake of profit.

Recently in a bar in Athlone, i found myself drinking Paulaner, with no head in the glass whatsoever. I prefer a bit of head on the beer, and when i approached the barman (a french dude) about this, he replied" if you want head, i will give you head!!"
The locals thought this was the funniest thing, and of course, i was last to figure out the joke

I know what you're saying, but sure why stop at 90? Surely 100 is a much nicer number to aim for, much easier for the multiplication? <!-- s:roll: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt="" title="Rolling Eyes" /><!-- s:roll: -->
In fairness though a lot of the nice beer glasses has a 'pint to line' marked on it - e.g. Paulaner, Budvar etc, presumably to stop this sort of predatory behaviour. Must go buy a pint of milk and measure one so... <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt="" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->

&amp;quot;Westbrew&amp;quot;:2zuhtkzn wrote: Having dropped and smashed my last [i:2zuhtkzn]English[/i:2zuhtkzn] pint glass I have been reduced to using an [i:2zuhtkzn]Irish [/i:2zuhtkzn]pint glass to drink my 500ml bottles of beer.

[b:2zuhtkzn]But it won’t all fit in[/b:2zuhtkzn] <!-- s:x --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_mad.gif" alt="" title="Mad" /><!-- s:x -->

This is because an Irish pint glass filled to the brim is fractionally less than a pint[/quote:2zuhtkzn]


I find this hard to believe. Irish pint glasses have to go through the same checks as their English equivalent. I would find it hard to believe that you couldn't fit a 500mL bottle into a proper pint (568mL) glass, [i:2zuhtkzn]filled to the brim[/i:2zuhtkzn]. When I pour 500mL into a pint glass there's usually room for a good head on top.

As for CAMRA's campaign, which is still ongoing, fair play to them but it's not something I would get too worked up about. As long as there isn't an excessive head it is generally accepted that the pint is made up from beer and head combined. If it were to change then us the consumers would be the ones left paying for the extra sup of beer, and probably for the new glassware too.
It is creeping in, though, with the marked 500mL glasses, with room for head. But these are probably charged at the pint rate anyway, so it's all swings and roundabouts.

This whole thread is admittedly a bit petty as are the establishments that try to squeeze 2 extra pints out a keg. I think we would all agree what is more important is the quality of what is served

I have seen a very different approach in some real ale pubs serving cask ale where seemingly gallons of beer are hand pumped into a bucket and dumped down the drain before the first pint is served from a new barrel. The bean counters would have a fit. <!-- s:x --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_mad.gif" alt="" title="Mad" /><!-- s:x --> However this happens only in the very best of establishments. UK I am sure has its a fair share of short pints served.

The favourite glass now gone to re-cycling was one that CAMRA would approve of with a line about 15mm from the top marked pint which I thought had been universally adopted in UK. Alas it seems I am wrong.