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[quote:1g73cwb9]Buckley'swas nor created to be a Pale Ale, the flavour is there to give the beer a bite because of the low Abv.[/quote:1g73cwb9]

I think it works really well. Would you put Buckely's in the same class as Or and Hooker or is it more a general ale?

"a_friend_in_mead":2cbiwjy4 wrote: Would you put Buckely's in the same class as Or and Hooker [/quote:2cbiwjy4]

No, Buckley's was created to allow drinkers a low Abv beer, and to pay accordingly €3.85. Hooker & óR are designed to attract craft beer drinkers.

Although it falls under the term Irish Craft Beer, that's not what people see in it. It's actually one of our best sellers because of the amount we sell during the daytime, down to the Abv most likely.

I don't think the low alcohol level precludes Buckley's from being craft beer or an Irish Golden Ale. I would say sessionability is one of the characteristics of the style.

If I handed a group of beer nerds some stouts and some porters and they could not say which was which that would imply that stouts and porters are the same thing? Say you blind tried tell Hooker, Or, Buckleys (maybe Carlow IPA) apart from two light English Ales. If you could would that not imply they were a distinctive style?

We get three Irish Golden Ales (which may be shown not to exist by this test) and two similar English ales. If we can tell them apart the Irish ales are different and maybe their own style if not the Irish ales don't exist and possibly we don't <!-- s:? --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_confused.gif" alt="" title="Confused" /><!-- s:? --> .

&amp;quot;a_friend_in_mead&amp;quot;:277buoco wrote: If I handed a group of beer nerds some stouts and some porters and they could not say which was which that would imply that stouts and porters are the same thing?[/quote:277buoco]Yes. and would confirm that they [i:277buoco]are[/i:277buoco] the same thing. See Zythophile's comparative analysis of ABV and taste descriptors here[/url:277buoco].

&amp;quot;a_friend_in_mead&amp;quot;:277buoco wrote: We get three Irish Golden Ales (which may be shown not to exist by this test) and two similar English ales. If we can tell them apart the Irish ales are different and maybe their own style if not the Irish ales don't exist and possibly we don't <!-- s:? --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_confused.gif" alt="" title="Confused" /><!-- s:? --> .[/quote:277buoco]Fine in principle, it's not appropriate to limit the test to English ales only. You'll need some Americans in there too, as the Irish beers are based on those too. You'll also have problem with the noticeble differences between draught and bottled beers.

[quote:kevjqo5r]Fine in principle, it's not appropriate to limit the test to English ales only. You'll need some Americans in there too, as the Irish beers are based on those too. You'll also have problem with the noticeble differences between draught and bottled beers.[/quote:kevjqo5r]

Good point if you went for three Irish draft golden ales you would need other draft ales for comparison which I do not think you will get.

Eh how about we just meet in the Bull and Castle and blindly taste Hooker, Or, Buckley's and see which is our favorite?

You could throw in some draught Sierra Nevada, if that's still around.