TOPIC:

Working as a barman in Elphin in Roscommon in my youth, I used serve quite a few black & tans, it was something you'd be asked for once a week.

It was not in any way considered offensive, and while not unpopular it was definitely not unusual and it was always half Guinness, half Smithwicks.


The Dublin experience appears to be quite different, and I have worked in the old country club in Portmarnock as a student and was never asked for one there.

( That said, Dubs are still called Jackeens by the older folks down there due to waving the union jack when the queen visited, they'll never forgive them for it)

&amp;quot;EoinMag&amp;quot;:22tpzby3 wrote: ( That said, Dubs are still called Jackeens by the older folks down there due to waving the union jack when the queen visited, they'll never forgive them for it)[/quote:22tpzby3]Is that where it came from? Never knew that. When I lived in Fermoy (early 90s) I was often called a Jackeen, apparently half because I was from Dublin, and half because I was sometimes seen leaving [i:22tpzby3]An Bonnán Buí[/i:22tpzby3] with an empty bottle of Jack Daniels <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt="" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: -->

Re: Black and Tan, I do find it in bad taste, to a degree, but probably because of the stories my Grand Aunt used to tell.

closest I've seen to it in Dublin is a pint of Smithwicks with a Guinness head

&amp;quot;Barry M&amp;quot;:3siqy89v wrote:

&amp;quot;EoinMag&amp;quot;:3siqy89v wrote: due to waving the union jack when the queen visited, they'll never forgive them for it[/quote:3siqy89v]Is that where it came from? Never knew that.[/quote:3siqy89v]It's a common explanation, but I'm not convinced by it. [i:3siqy89v]Which[/i:3siqy89v] visit, for instance? And what were they waving when she arrived in Killarney?

&amp;quot;The Irish Times&amp;quot;:3siqy89v wrote: The present visit of our gracious sovereign to Killarney will be a suggestive theme for Ireland's future historian. It marks a pleasing epoch in our country's history, and the reception is striking evidence of the peace, loyalty and contentment now prevailing in Ireland, particularly in the province of Munster, which has been supposed by many to be the head-quarters of disaffection. Such an impression can no longer exist, for the reception given our gracious Sovereign, yesterday, by all classes of the people of Kerry, but more especially by the peasantry, was an unmistakeable exhibition of their fidelity and attachment to the throne, and their love and affection for the kind and beneficent Sovereign[/quote:3siqy89v]
Jackeen is an anglicisation of "shoneen", which seems to me a much more general "fancy-pants little townie" sort of insult.

&amp;quot;Barry M&amp;quot;:3siqy89v wrote: Re: Black and Tan, I do find it in bad taste, to a degree, but probably because of the stories my Grand Aunt used to tell.[/quote:3siqy89v]And yet a lot of the atrocities attributed to the Tans were really carried out the the Auxies, who were considerably more psychotically ill-disciplined. Y'know, what with being working class and all...

&amp;quot;RichieH&amp;quot;:lt6djs2i wrote: Speaking of bad taste, I think most people don't stop and think about the B52 cocktail, I've even seen it on the menu in south east asian restaurants. Now that's pretty bad![/quote:lt6djs2i]

It's a bit like the American military naming their aircrafts after indigenous tribes (e.g. apache helicopter)

Imagine if the Germans had decided to call one of their aircrafts the Sephardim bomber! <!-- s:roll: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt="" title="Rolling Eyes" /><!-- s:roll: -->

I think possibly Victoria on Sackville street in 1900 as in the following illustration. That said the term may have been coined before that.

[url:2ssi4xb4]http://www.prints-4-u.com/store/images/CCC0900/CCC0900104T.jpg[/url:2ssi4xb4]

From a thread on boards.


[quote:2ssi4xb4]However Prof. Terry Dolan went on to say that he had spoken to some elderly lady who saw the queen when she visited Ireland in 1900. She was but a wee child but remembers referring to the miniature Union Jack flags they were given at the time as 'Jackeens'. [/quote:2ssi4xb4]

[i:2ssi4xb4][Image modded to link -- TBN][/i:2ssi4xb4]