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Not coming from/living in Ireland myself, I would like to ask a couple of questions...

1.Is the term 'Black and Tan' for a varient of a 'half and half' beer insulting/offensive to the Irish? I know the term can refer to the British military police from the early part of the 20th Century in Ireland (reknowned for cruelty, injustice etc), amongst other things (including descriptors for colours of certain dog breeds, like my very own Welsh Terrier; Pascoe!).
Wikipedia maintains this term is unusual/not used in Ireland for the Half stout half Irish ale mixture,is this so?

2.American 'Irish' pubs insist on serving half Guinness half Harp lager, and maintain this is the proper way of doing things. In Canada (where I live) 'Irish' pubs tend to give you Guinness and Smithwicks or Killkenny. What do you guys get if you asked for it in a real Irish pub?

p.s. Irish pubs here don't look like any Irish pub I've ever been to in Ireland in case you were wondering!

"Beer Wrangler":33x6ub8l wrote: Not coming from/living in Ireland myself, I would like to ask a couple of questions...

1.Is the term 'Black and Tan' for a varient of a 'half and half' beer insulting/offensive to the Irish? I know the term can refer to the British military police from the early part of the 20th Century in Ireland (reknowned for cruelty, injustice etc), amongst other things (including descriptors for colours of certain dog breeds, like my very own Welsh Terrier; Pascoe!).
Wikipedia maintains this term is unusual/not used in Ireland for the Half stout half Irish ale mixture,is this so?[/quote:33x6ub8l]


Wikipedia is correct, it's not widely used or drunk but it's not offensive to order it. I would think the "Irish car bomb" is more likely to cause offence but we don't generally get uptight about this stuff.

"Beer Wrangler":33x6ub8l wrote: 2.American 'Irish' pubs insist on serving half Guinness half Harp lager, and maintain this is the proper way of doing things. In Canada (where I live) 'Irish' pubs tend to give you Guinness and Smithwicks or Killkenny. What do you guys get if you asked for it in a real Irish pub?

p.s. Irish pubs here don't look like any Irish pub I've ever been to in Ireland in case you were wondering![/quote:33x6ub8l]

The Canadian method is what you'd expect to get in Ireland....or else a strange look if the bar man is not Irish.

"Beer Wrangler":nktvs0oq wrote: Not coming from/living in Ireland myself, I would like to ask a couple of questions...

1.Is the term 'Black and Tan' for a varient of a 'half and half' beer insulting/offensive to the Irish? I know the term can refer to the British military police from the early part of the 20th Century in Ireland (reknowned for cruelty, injustice etc), amongst other things (including descriptors for colours of certain dog breeds, like my very own Welsh Terrier; Pascoe!).
Wikipedia maintains this term is unusual/not used in Ireland for the Half stout half Irish ale mixture,is this so?

2.American 'Irish' pubs insist on serving half Guinness half Harp lager, and maintain this is the proper way of doing things. In Canada (where I live) 'Irish' pubs tend to give you Guinness and Smithwicks or Killkenny. What do you guys get if you asked for it in a real Irish pub?

p.s. Irish pubs here don't look like any Irish pub I've ever been to in Ireland in case you were wondering![/quote:nktvs0oq]

I've worked as a barman in a traditional Dublin Pub and never once heard anyone order this, nor have I overheard someone order it since. I find it a bit offensive mainly since the only people who seem to know what it is are far removed from the brutal reality of the name. x10 for the irish car bomb, it's just silly "american irish" glorification of barbaric acts. Sorry- St Patrick's day probably brings this bile out (up?) in me a bit more than usual

Thanks Richie + Diablo!

Perhaps I will start a Campaign to change the name! An Irish Half and Half perhaps?

In England this usually (used) to get you a Mild and Bitter, or perhaps in the South/London a Light Ale and Bitter - so an English half and half..
I know in Scotland this term means a pint and a whisky chaser. so there is no universal recipe for this term

Or perhaps just a pint of Stout and ale? keeping it simple?

I would also like to add I've never heard of the Irish car bomb. I can't believe this would ever be acceptable in any country.

"Beer Wrangler":3w30imcw wrote: I would also like to add I've never heard of the Irish car bomb. I can't believe this would ever be acceptable in any country.[/quote:3w30imcw]

It's a new york cocktail I think. Speaking of bad taste, I think most people don't stop and think about the B52 cocktail, I've even seen it on the menu in south east asian restaurants. Now that's pretty bad!