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18 years 3 months ago #13

The reason that InBev are seen as a good thing in Ireland is that variety in Irish pubs died out decades ago, due to the actions of Guinness. InBev brining their portfolio to the market certainly shakes things up and I for one am glad when I see Leffe, Hoegaarden, etc. in a pub, because it means that I won't be stuck with a nitro tap stout.

In other countries, however, InBev look a lot less friendly. They tend to buy up a brewery which has a good share of a market they want into, change production methods, dumb down the beer to broaden it's appeal and use their marketing muscle to kill off the other small breweries competing in the same market. Globally they are a nasty predatory multinational, but in Ireland, there are only other predators for them to attack.

Another thing to consider is that, while InBev are certainly in the forefront when it comes to getting alternative beers into the local offie or pub, they can only do so because the demand is there. If they were not filling the niche, perhaps someone else would. I have often said that it is rather unfortunate that, even though Irish beer tastes are changing and more flavourful beers are being bought, the vast majority of them are imports, not Irish micro-brews.

18 years 3 months ago #14

"TheBeerNut":3ocyu6nr wrote: Didn't know they had a porter.[/quote:3ocyu6nr]

They call it stout porter, I think covering both bases and it a Baltic porter.

Its beer a good year since i had there red, it thought it was quite malty much more than the old canal water.

maybe we can get Lenihan to promote Oud Bruin to control all them drunk people <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: -->

18 years 3 months ago #15

&amp;quot;noby&amp;quot;:34zivzmf wrote: Wobbler, I agree that the increase in choice benefits the consumer, but to what consequence?

Imagine a pub that wants to offer a range of beers. InBev will solve their problem by supplying them with this range, all from the one supplier. Why then would the publican bother with dealing with one-off orders from, for example, Hooker or Carlow?

So, yes there are benefits, of which I'm delighted to exploit, but it'll be the little guy that feels the pinch.[/quote:34zivzmf]
I know there are consequences and I know the bad can outweight the bad but when a pub which previously omly sold one decent drink (Guinness) now sells three (Spaten, Franziskanner and Guinness), I feel pleased.

I just think that beer writers, bloggers and commentators rarely point this out.

18 years 3 months ago #16

&amp;quot;Wobbler&amp;quot;:6qd2ctqa wrote: I know there are consequences and I know the bad can outweight the bad but when a pub which previously omly sold one decent drink (Guinness) now sells three (Spaten, Franziskanner and Guinness), I feel pleased.

I just think that beer writers, bloggers and commentators rarely point this out.[/quote:6qd2ctqa]

As I said, as a beer drinker I too am pleased, but as Séan said, this may only be a short-term gain. I wonder how people will feel about InBev in a few years time?

18 years 3 months ago #17

&amp;quot;Wobbler&amp;quot;:cct21izt wrote: I just think that beer writers, bloggers and commentators rarely point this out.[/quote:cct21izt]Beer writers, bloggers and commentators rarely write anything about the Irish beer market. And, as Séan says, Ireland is one of the very few beer-drinking countries where InBev isn't working against local independent breweries, since no Irish independent breweries have enough market share to be on their radar.

&amp;quot;noby&amp;quot;:cct21izt wrote: Why then would the publican bother with dealing with one-off orders from, for example, Hooker or Carlow?[/quote:cct21izt]If they're serious about a real range, and not just lots of pretty taps and labels, they won't be able to get an Irish Pale Ale or a stout from InBev. And no Irish supplier can give them a Belgian blonde or witbier.

18 years 3 months ago #18

Great, I've sparked a bit of debate.

Firstly, Seán said that the likes of InBev are only meeting market demands and the niche may have been met by someone else. I honestly don't think a smaller operation would have the resources or the will to take such a risk. Most "regular" beer drinkers may very well try a different beer if it's made available to them but won't go seeking them out. To make these beers widely available costs quite a bit of money and represents a huge risk. As our national beer palate broadens, the risk should diminish.

I hope that once the Irish become more adventurous beer drinkers, a few more micros will spring up. Not before.

I'm not under any illusion that InBev are doing any of this for altruistic reasons by the way.

Noby asks what we'll think of InBev in a few years' time. Well the chances are they'll act the bollix like I understand they have elsewhere. I also wonder whether their first few years in the Irish market will be remembered as a turning point in our "beer history"
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