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A bottle of Ritz for the lac, eh? Not all ladies want white wine. I find that in most pubs the wine selection is as awful as the beer selection anyway. Most women I know like Duvel, hoegaarden and those strong Belgian pale ales. I think it would help with women's perception of beer a lot if it came in something other than big pints. I don't like those tulip shaped half pint glasses at all either, they seem to dull the taste of whatever beer you're drinking.

It makes me really angry[/url:3j118hy8] when I see beer brewed for women with all the taste removed[/url:3j118hy8]. I think most women just think they don't like beer as all they can get to taste here is dodgy lager and when they try something different they usually find a style they like. I think a lot of women would like lambic beer like Cantillon as it's fresh and sour in the same way wine is but you never see anyone recommending that they try it. This is getting a bit long but as one of the ladies of ICB I thought I'd have to go on a bit.

Our local pub recently re-opened after a refit and I think it does very well on the beer menu. I think it has the minimum that all pubs should have. It has Porterhouse plain, erdinger, paulaner and a few non standard lagers on draught. Then it has a beer menu with one or two bottled beers from different countries. Duvel, Affligem, Tyskie, Spitfire, Bishop's Finger, Budvar, Pilsner Urquell etc.

I wonder why more pubs don't stock one or two of those bottled beers. It doesn't take much room to have one shelf of a fridge devoted to them and you're not losing too much if they go out of date.

Surely there should be something for the ladies? Even just some posters of kittens would do
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LSM[/url:66as20gt]: Look at these venomous harridans... they went to university.
Hard to believe they're all under twenty five. Yes, over-education leads to ugliness, premature aging, and beard growth.

PAS: Oh, I don't know anything about the Gold Standard, I'm afraid - but I do love little kittens. They're so soft, and furry.

Very good, had forget about that <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt="" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D -->

Hold on. Did someone cut off that kitten's ears?

&amp;quot;TheBeerNut&amp;quot;:36woqme5 wrote:

&amp;quot;donnchadhc&amp;quot;:36woqme5 wrote: Most ladies that I know when shown proper beer don't like it[/quote:36woqme5]I think that goes for most [i:36woqme5]people[/i:36woqme5]. There's a beer out there for everyone -- it's just a question of finding it.

I'm sure our theoretical bar will serve things that aren't beer. But that's not what this thread is about.[/quote:36woqme5]

If you start people on an accessible proper beer like a Fuller's ESB, or an SNPA, I think you'll find almost everyone will give it a chance. When it doubt, there's always a wheat beer with a slice of lemon. If you slam some dark hop monster onto people they'll get turned off pretty fast.

My girlfriend drinks Guiness and McCardles in bars, exclusively. All one needs is to develop their taste buds, which is the case with good wine as well. Most women who drink "wine" in pubs are just unsure drinkers and that garbage red stuff in those little bottles is unthreatening.

I would say that a good beer bar needs enough beers on tap to make a show of it, and a healthy stock of rarities in bottles to satisfy the errant customer who wants something special. A bar I frequented in college in the states had 60 beers on tap, which made for such an impressive 3-tier tap system that you couldn't help but start trying new things.

Edit: I posted before realizing that donnchadhc had already come 'round, so ignore me <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt="" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) -->

&amp;quot;justflow1983&amp;quot;:y2qmtbtp wrote: If you start people on an accessible proper beer like a Fuller's ESB, or an SNPA, I think you'll find almost everyone will give it a chance.[/quote:y2qmtbtp]I think one of the best styles for people who are merrily adventurous with wine but "don't like beer" is a strong dark Belgian -- Chimay or Abt 12. Mind you, ESB isn't a million miles from that, really.