In the October issue of Camra's "What's Brewing," it is reported that the European Beer Consumers Union (EBCU) want beer lovers in Germany and Ireland to set up their own organisations to get involved in the fight for drinkers rights across Europe. Have none of these guys heard about Beoir? I think we need to make some overtures. If I'm not mistaken there has been some discussion of the EBCU on this forum before.