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"Biertourist":8kv20ruk wrote:

"Andrew":8kv20ruk wrote: [i:8kv20ruk]Shivvy-eks[/i:8kv20ruk]. [/quote:8kv20ruk]

Sorry "Żywiec" = "Shivvy-eks" !?!?

Jeeze that's almost as bad as "BH" = "V" in Irish!
Adam[/quote:8kv20ruk]

Better than that: Lodz is pronounced "Wootz"

&amp;quot;UpsidedownA&amp;quot;:3r2opjct wrote: BH = V and PH = F both have a certain logic to them.[/quote:3r2opjct]That was my point, believe it or not <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt="" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D -->. In Hebrew B, G, D, K, P and T (the "begadkephat letters") all aspirate, though only B and P have alternative letters in English for the aspirated form these days. Since the invention of movable type we lost T's aspirated form Þ. Which brings me on to my huge pet hate of "[i:3r2opjct]Ye[/i:3r2opjct] Olde" things. That's a Þ not a Y goddammit!

&amp;quot;Andrew&amp;quot;:qv6nxaud wrote: [i:qv6nxaud]Shivvy-eks[/i:qv6nxaud]. [/quote:qv6nxaud]

It's actually Zhiv-ee-ets.

First syllable just like Dr Zhivago.
Long e in the middle.
Last syllable like it looks, same as gets, bets, etc.

I lived in Krakow for a year...

&amp;quot;KeeganAles&amp;quot;:1ouqdmxw wrote:

&amp;quot;Andrew&amp;quot;:1ouqdmxw wrote: [i:1ouqdmxw]Shivvy-eks[/i:1ouqdmxw]. [/quote:1ouqdmxw]

It's actually Zhiv-ee-ets.

First syllable just like Dr Zhivago.
Long e in the middle.
Last syllable like it looks, same as gets, bets, etc.

I lived in Krakow for a year...[/quote:1ouqdmxw]

I've heard the "-ets" variant (I think it's regional)