Yes, would love to try extract and eventually all grain maybe,think I have all the kit you need except a chiller coil,I have a 27 ltr SS boiler for pasteurising apple juice.It's just that there is alot of work with the cider,seem to have spent most weekends the last few months tricking around with it including all day today.The beer kits are quick and easy no brainers compared to real cider,similar to all grain beer I'm guessing,lots of work,
calculations and ajustments to make a decent one and the cider fermentations can last for 3 or 4 months and need as many rackings and ajustments,and thats not to mention the pulping, pressing ,cleaning,SG monitoring,maturing,blending,bottling and moxy sterilising.So it's not an option at the moment unless I go fulltime. On a lighter note,hope to give extract and or all grain a go in the summer.