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I am, at this moment, in McSorley's in Ranelagh.
I got a pint of Wicklow WB-40 in an over-sized branded glass with a fill line.
Now I have a pint of Full Irish in a regulation sized branded glass that was served with a solid two fingers of foam.
Both of these are priced at 6 euro but I got given probably, what, two more ounces of the Wicklow?

I'm not trying to go the persnickety, skinflint route that Camra does over serving sizes.

But the point is, these both came in branded glasses.

So should we, as consumer advocates, be encouraging breweries to make their glasses with fill lines to ensure that the average drinker gets a fair pour?

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But anyway, I have noticed that pubs that have glassware with a pint-to-line on them seem to charge correspondingly more. e.g. beers wiht no branded glassware in generic pint glass 4.90, pint-to-line branded glassware 5.20 etc.

Pubs look at their markup in per keg terms. If they are getting fewer pints out of the keg than they expected, they have to charge more per pint to make up the shortfall.

Having said that, it grates on me when I get what is supposed to be a pint with a big bishop's collar on it. There should be some foam on top, but don't take the piss.

It rarely happens in Ireland, but I noticed it a lot with cask beer in Scotland. Mind you, there were a lot more "pint to line" glasses in Scotland too, so there are probably plenty of locals who agree with me.

"sbillings":2xcaijs5 wrote: Pubs look at their markup in per keg terms. If they are getting fewer pints out of the keg than they expected, they have to charge more per pint to make up the shortfall.

Having said that, it grates on me when I get what is supposed to be a pint with a big bishop's collar on it. There should be some foam on top, but don't take the piss.

It rarely happens in Ireland, but I noticed it a lot with cask beer in Scotland. Mind you, there were a lot more "pint to line" glasses in Scotland too, so there are probably plenty of locals who agree with me.[/quote:2xcaijs5]

True, but thanks to Camra, there's a culture in the UK of sliding a cask pint back to the barman after you've paid and asking "Could you top that up, please?" once the foam has subsided. (If they don't do it without asking, which many would.)

I can't think what the reaction would be if that started happening here.

I think its not about Pubs/Barmen/Breweries/Kegs/Glasses etc.

Its about the Law of the land.

If you ask for a pint of beer you must be given a pint. Thats why there are weights and measures acts and the people to implement them.

If you get less than a pint they are breaking the law.

Note you have to ask for a pint! Ask for a glass and it could be anything.

Also doesn't draught beer and cider have to be sold in pints or half pints. Thats what the invisible price lists should say (also in the law I think)

Its one for Tube as he has been digging in various legislations recently on another thread

"Will_D":owy1xmok wrote: Also doesn't draught beer and cider have to be sold in pints or half pints. Thats what the invisible price lists should say (also in the law I think)[/quote:owy1xmok]

That's the law in the UK, but in Ireland you can sell beer in any volume you like as long as the customer gets the volume promised. You have to display the prices of various specified items (e.g. a Pint of Stout, a 1/2 pint of lager) but there is no law saying you can only sell in these measures.

The LVA/VFI position is that the head is part of the beer, so a pint of beer is a pint of liquid and foam together not a pint of liquid + an extra volume of foam.