[quote:21jurdpn]Ask your fellow German brewers (Hefe) on amount to use, they are well versed in using it [/quote:21jurdpn]
I actually haven't met any brewers here yet. It makes me a kind of novelty in the company. In fact, I have arranged two Open Brew days so people can come along to see a beer being made, on condition that they bring a few bottles of an interesting or unusual German beer. <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt="

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On the Hopfenextrakt, it's surprising how many commercial beers seem to use it! I'm sure it's not limited to the Germans however, but at least they print whether it has been used on the label.
Is it a really bad thing though? I will note whether it is used in my future tastings[/url:21jurdpn], just to see if there's a correlation.
I wonder if it's necessarily bad as I use malt extract! <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt="

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