yeah jspruit, i was over in San Diego in Feb and i went to the Stone Brewery, the Ruination is fantastic isnt it? and the IPA of course! i tried the smoker porter which i have to say is quality too, the arrogant bastard is nice, on first impression i wasnt too impressed but it grows on you, yeah 20% is pretty out there! i love thr American IPA's, i dont mind settling for goose island at the minute, its really a great IPA, was the first i had and stayed with me ever since