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It'll be quite some time before any other version is routinely circulated.

"Hombre Lúpulo":1o5zqohf wrote: The Harwood explanation is the one given in Iorwerth Griffiths book as well if I remember correctly. Or maybe it was somewhere else. I've certainly read it on more than one occasion.[/quote:1o5zqohf]

Its one give by everyone that does not want to to the research

I've been reading a good few books over the last few months and almost all mention the Shoreditch story.
Even Michael Jackson mentions it although he did use the words 'supposed to have been first made' when discussing it.
So how is someone doing research meant to make the distinction between truth and hearsay on anything that happened in a poorly recorded past?
There seems to be no definitive source of information that can be taken as fact.

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&amp;quot;Beer Novice&amp;quot;:3h4fp688 wrote: Even Michael Jackson mentions it although he did use the words 'supposed to have been first made' when discussing it.[/quote:3h4fp688]Something that a lot of people, especially Americans, seem to have trouble with is that Michael Jackson wasn't always right.

&amp;quot;Beer Novice&amp;quot;:3h4fp688 wrote: So how is someone doing research meant to make the distinction between truth and hearsay on anything that happened in a poorly recorded past?
There seems to be no definitive source of information that can be taken as fact.[/quote:3h4fp688]You trace the sources and evaluate which ones are more likely to be correct. Zythophile rejects the Shoreditch story because the first mention of it is nearly a century after the event it describes. He adds the fact that only twenty years later another story of the invention of porter was in circulation. These two observations make the Shoreditch story unreliable as an historical account.

Zythophile's other beer myth-busting (in his side panel under "Pages") is well worth reading. Ron Pattinson[/url:3h4fp688] is good at this stuff too.

&amp;quot;TheBeerNut&amp;quot;:9ulveefu wrote:

&amp;quot;Beer Novice&amp;quot;:9ulveefu wrote: Even Michael Jackson mentions it although he did use the words 'supposed to have been first made' when discussing it.[/quote:9ulveefu]Something that a lot of people, especially Americans, seem to have trouble with is that Michael Jackson wasn't always right.[/quote:9ulveefu]
Agreed. I guess the point I'm making that if [size=150:9ulveefu]so many [/size:9ulveefu]people, including those with the reputation (deserved or otherwise) that MJ has, repeat it then it's unfair to criticise writers for assuming that it's incorrect. Or should I say allegedly incorrect?

&amp;quot;TheBeerNut&amp;quot;:9ulveefu wrote:

&amp;quot;Beer Novice&amp;quot;:9ulveefu wrote: So how is someone doing research meant to make the distinction between truth and hearsay on anything that happened in a poorly recorded past?
There seems to be no definitive source of information that can be taken as fact.[/quote:9ulveefu]You trace the sources and evaluate which ones are more likely to be correct. Zythophile rejects the Shoreditch story because the first mention of it is nearly a century after the event it describes. He adds the fact that only twenty years later another story of the invention of porter was in circulation. These two observations make the Shoreditch story unreliable as an historical account.[/quote:9ulveefu]

If the Tuck version is 20 years later does this not make it less reliable? (If not more plausable sounding.)

Is the truth not that we will never know how it came about unless something older is unearthed?

&amp;quot;TheBeerNut&amp;quot;:9ulveefu wrote: Zythophile's other beer myth-busting (in his side panel under "Pages") is well worth reading. Ron Pattinson[/url:9ulveefu] is good at this stuff too.[/quote:9ulveefu]

Also agreed. I read both. Great stuff!

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