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Where to get 6 Gallon Glass Carboy or Better Bottle in I 13 years 11 months ago #13

All I ever use on my carboys and better bottles is oxyclean and it hasn't failed me yet, no scrubbing required.

Where to get 6 Gallon Glass Carboy or Better Bottle in I 13 years 11 months ago #14

"EoinMag":3arblmjs wrote:

"Biertourist":3arblmjs wrote:

"Jacob":3arblmjs wrote: Not sure. What about using bleach or something like that?

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I will NEVER EVER use bleach on anything that will ever touch my home brew. It is the most long-lasting and offensive smell/flavor. Actual bleach and sanitizers containing bleach are banned in my brewery.


Adam[/quote:3arblmjs]


If you use star san, you can use all the bleach you want up to that point, the star san completely neutralises the chlorine and leaves no bleachy smells or residues, so your fear is irrational <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->[/quote:3arblmjs]

?? If you already own and are going to use StarSan, then you don't need bleach; the extra step is irrational and seems like an attempt to justify the unjustifiable.

I have stainless steel corney kegs and a stainless steel fermenter; this is the majority of my post-boil equipment (the equipment that actually needs to be sanitized) and bleach pits stainless steel and shouldn't be used with it.

As far as using metal chains on plastic equipment, I thought that tiny scratches in plastic are a bad thing and support the growth of microbiological undesirables.


Adam

Where to get 6 Gallon Glass Carboy or Better Bottle in I 13 years 11 months ago #15

From Palmer's "How to Brew" on cleaning Stainless and Aluminum:

[i:34rldpff]As with aluminum, the corrosion inhibitor in stainless steel is the passive oxide layer that protects the surface. The 300-series alloys (a.k.a. 18-8 alloys) commonly used in the brewing industry are very corrosion-resistant to most chemicals. Unfortunately, chlorine is one of the few chemicals to which these steels are not resistant. The chlorine in bleach acts to destabilize the passive oxide layer on steel, creating corrosion pits. This type of attack is accelerated by localization and is generally known as crevice or pitting corrosion.

Many brewers have experienced pinholes in stainless-steel vessels that have been filled with a bleach-water solution and left to soak for several days. On a microscopic scale, a scratch or crevice from a gasket can present a localized area where the surface oxide can be destabilized by the chlorine. The chlorides can combine with the oxygen, both in the water and on the steel surface, to form chlorite ions, depleting that local area of protection. If the water is not circulating, the crevice becomes a tiny, highly active site relative to the more passive stainless steel around it and corrodes. The same thing can happen at the liquid surface if the pot is only half full of bleach solution. A dry stable area above, a less stable but very large area below, and the crevice corrosion occurs at the waterline. Usually this type of corrosion will manifest as pitting or pinholes because of the accelerating effect of localization.

A third way chlorides can corrode stainless steel is by concentration. This mode is very similar to the crevice mode described above. By allowing chlorinated water to evaporate and dry on a steel surface, those chlorides become concentrated and destabilize the surface oxides at that site. The next time the surface is wetted, the oxides will quickly dissolve, creating a shallow pit. When the pot is allowed to dry, that pit probably will be one of the last sites to evaporate, causing chloride concentration again. At some point in the cleaning life of the pot, that site will become deep enough for crevice corrosion to take over and the pit to corrode through.

[u:34rldpff][b:34rldpff]It is best to not use bleach to clean stainless steel and other metal. There are other cleaners available that work just as well without danger of corrosion.[/b:34rldpff][/u:34rldpff] The percarbonate-based cleaners like PBW are the best choice for general cleaning.[/i:34rldpff]

Where to get 6 Gallon Glass Carboy or Better Bottle in I 13 years 11 months ago #16

Hmm, as time goes on I'm not sure how much I trust Palmer.

The British Stainless Steel Association has this information about Chlorine:
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[quote:3hog8ly2]When using chlorine as a sterilizer or sanitiser in contact with 316 type stainless steel items, a maximum of 15-20 ppm (mg/lt) 'free' chlorine is suggested, for maximum times of 24 hours, followed by a thorough chlorine free water flush.[/quote:3hog8ly2]

Probably is safer to use a non-chlorine agent alright.

Where to get 6 Gallon Glass Carboy or Better Bottle in I 13 years 11 months ago #17

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Re: Where to get 6 Gallon Glass Carboy or Better Bottle 13 years 11 months ago #18

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If you use star san, you can use all the bleach you want up to that point, the star san completely neutralises the chlorine and leaves no bleachy smells or residues, so your fear is irrational <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->[/quote]

I went a bit OTT on the old oxiclean a while back. As a result I have about 100 bottles with white residue on them that are sitting in my shed as I have been too lazy to go at them with a bottle brush <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: -->

Will a soak in Starsan do the hard work for me?

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