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No. Non-public places may be [i:1mlvkvi4]entered[/i:1mlvkvi4] without a warrant for the purposes of confiscating illegally held alcohol (p.14). I don't think there's a change in basic freedoms there.

I rather like the idea of Gardaí being able to regularly send under-18s into shops to try and buy drink (p.8 ). The proposed law will require the teenager's parent to assent to it happening: again I don't think it's a big deal from a civil liberties perspective.

[quote:2nhxq927]No. Non-public places may be entered without a warrant for the purposes of confiscating illegally held alcohol (p.14). I don't think there's a change in basic freedoms there. [/quote:2nhxq927]

A warrantless search because of C2H5OH? Because you think someone is being kidnapped or they have rocket launchers fair enough but for a few cans of scrumpy? I think that is setting the accepted level of criminality needed for warrantless search too low

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I rather like the idea of Gardaí being able to regularly send under-18s into shops to try and buy drink (p.8 ). The proposed law will require the teenager's parent to assent to it happening: again I don't think it's a big deal from a civil liberties perspective.[/quote:2nhxq927]

You don't want the world to become like the Jack Palance scene in Shane where he makes the farmer pick up a gun so he can shoot him.

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Are we sure we need to start daring people to commit crimes because we have run out of ones they commit on their own?

Yes, a warrantless search because of C2H5OH. It's not like it applies to people's homes. There won't be any jackboots coming through your door looking for kids drinking Dutch Gold under your bed. And if there is I can probably recommend you a good barrister.

I suspect that this clause is a codification of something that happens every day around the country: kids drinking in unoccupied buildings or on wasteground which, legally, the Gardaí may not enter without a warrant, but do anyway.

&amp;quot;a_friend_in_mead&amp;quot;:11c3gm65 wrote: Are we sure we need to start daring people to commit crimes because we have run out of ones they commit on their own?[/quote:11c3gm65]Of course not. We should depend on the kids to buy their WKD and then [i:11c3gm65]immediately[/i:11c3gm65] report the off licence to the nearest Garda station for selling to minors.

There are situations where it's advisable that people not only obey the law, but they obey it in a publicly verifiable way.
"My tax disc? It's in the glove compartment. Can I go now?"

Does anyone know how the new laws will affect the off trade from pubs or is that different to off licenses ?

By the looks of it, pubs will have to stop selling drink to take away at 10pm, just like 24-hour shops currently have to stop selling booze at pub closing time.

Doubtless the practice of buying cans at closing time will remain a feature of pub life. Except, in its new illicit form, it will be known as a "lock-out".

I wonder if it will effect rural Ireland a lot more, where it gave the local spar/centra a extra incentive to stay open till later at nite?